# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/461 "2025-09-01T21:13:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’d say a bigger problem are people who are doing nothing while other people are losing their right to vote or due process or a decent wage and who say to themselves “Don’t look at me for help. I’m busy fighting slavery.” And we’re back to this bullshit. Come back when you’re done having imaginary conversations in your head. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Fighting slavery is easy. Fighting genocide is easy. Fighting nuclear war is easy. If you want a challenge, you should try fighting something real. The first battle appears to be getting you to acknowledge what _is_ real. It’s proving harder than we thought. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, I’m the guy who showed up at a flat earth society meeting and told everyone in the room the world is round. And everyone in the room has been yelling at me that the earth really is flat, for certain definitions of flat. You really, really aren’t. The one in persistent denial of reality remains you. And in that aim you present strawmen and semantic digressions while ignoring the actual evidence being presented to you. Case in point: > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So you drive up to these camps and buy people? And they’re your property? And their children will be your property too? No, you don’t buy _people_ these days. You buy _a prison_. And then you lobby for a nice lucrative [contract from the government](https://sites.tufts.edu/prisondivestment/prison-contracts/) and _they_ provide the people. [What you do with them then, well…](https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/) That one, of course, goes back a long, long way, whereas the building of new camps for incarcerating innocent people without due process continues as well. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/462 "2025-09-01T21:54:32Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Do you maybe think your hypothesis in this thread could be wrong? Does your confidence rest only with these amorphous people who haven’t posted in your defense? Or do you give any credence to all the dopers who have taken the time to read all of this, and reply with their thoughts? Show me the evidence. Show me a statement by Donald Trump… no, let’s make it easier. Show me a statement by any elected Republican office holder in which they say that their plans include genocide, slavery, or starting a nuclear war. And I’m talking the normal usages of those terms. None of this “My definition of genocide is…” bullshit. And it has to be something that’s being done by the American government. None of this “People in Palestine are being killed by Israeli soldiers and somehow I think Donald Trump is behind all of it because I think he’s secretly running the world.” And saying you believe that’s what they’re secretly planning doesn’t count. There are idiots who believe people were eating pets in Ohio and that Hillary Clinton was running a child slave ring in a pizza shop. Believing people are plotting crazy shit doesn’t make it true. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/463 "2025-09-01T22:01:47Z")
One might note that ~~the possibility of~~ vaccination programs being eliminated has left the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/464 "2025-09-01T22:16:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > One might note that ~~the possibility of~~ vaccination programs being eliminated has left the thread Not sure what you’re saying here. Are you suggesting I was including eliminating vaccination programs among other forms of over-the-top anti-Trump hysteria? Because that’s not true. When eliminating vaccination programs was brought up in this thread, I said I felt it was a realistic possibility. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/465 "2025-09-01T22:18:42Z")
Forgive me for not remembering what you find absurd and what you hand wave away. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/466 "2025-09-01T22:23:54Z")
Rome wasn’t built in a day! The path of democratic corrosion is often deceptive because it can unfold entirely through legal or procedural changes and this has been happening the day Trump took office! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/467 "2025-09-01T22:26:40Z")
> [@JoePockets](#): > > Rome wasn’t built in a day! That they are setting the foundations of Rome should in no way even suggest that they are intent on building Rome. Not that Little\_Nemo even believes Rome is a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/468 "2025-09-01T22:28:37Z")
I would like add that if Trump we’re not wake up tomorrow the MAGA gang could a nice rally and everyone else could truly realize there is a G\_D! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/469 "2025-09-02T00:57:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Show me a statement by any elected Republican office holder in which they say that their plans include genocide, slavery, or starting a nuclear war. > > And I’m talking the normal usages of those terms. None of this “My definition of genocide is…” bullshit. I’m going to request a cite for “the normal usages of those terms.” You were given a cite, way above, of the UN definition of genocide. [Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition) You don’t seem to agree with the UN on this one, but you haven’t provided your “normal usage” definition. Your usage has some support here [Genocide definitions - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions) but I don’t know how you’d establish what is common. Similarly, “slavery” does not just mean “slavery as it existed in the US South before 1865.” It literally never has; that’s the type we’re most familiar with, but it’s not all about us. Slavery has existed in many (most?) other societies. Finally, you don’t expect the Evil Ones to be clear and explicit in their plans for evil, do you? Generally, it’s a lot more effective if you use weasel words, doublespeak, and propaganda to get the job done. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/470 "2025-09-02T06:52:25Z")
If the only evidence you’ll accept is a signed public statement reading “I, Donald J Trump, intend to commit genocide”, you haven’t just moved the goalpost, you’ve catapulted it into the sun. The evidence has already been set out over and over again in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/471 "2025-09-02T08:10:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Show me a statement by Donald Trump… no, let’s make it easier. Show me a statement by any elected Republican office holder in which they say that their plans include genocide, slavery, or starting a nuclear war. Are you really being serious here? Because that’s such an idiotic request it has to be self-parody. Not even the fucking Nazis released public statements saying they were going to commit, or were committing, genocide. Plenty of _coded_ statements, plenty of _private_ correspondence. But _statements_? What, you think they’ll put out a … let’s say trans- …genocide _press release_? Why do you think AmeriNazis would be _more_ open than the 40s Original Recipe kind? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/472 "2025-09-02T08:28:16Z")
> Alligator Alcatraz > Feeding illegals to the gators. > We need more of this energy. > > — Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) June 30, 2025 > Alligator lives matter. > The good news is, alligators are guaranteed at least 65 million meals if we get started now. > > — Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) June 30, 2025 > There 100% are 65 million illegal aliens living in the US. We have been told 20 million illegals are living in the US since Ronald Reagan was President in the 1980s. Another 20 million (at least) came in under Joe Biden. Add in all of the illegals who came in under Clinton, Bush and Obama as well. There 100% are 65 million illegal aliens living in the US. We have been told 20 million illegals are living in the US since Ronald Reagan was President in the 1980s. Another 20 million (at least) came in under Joe Biden. Add in all of the illegals who came in under Clinton. Now add all of their kids. Those people reproduce like rabbits. Add in the 2 million got aways under Biden. The real number ends up being close to 65 million. We literally have 65 million illegals in the US. Do the math." What’s wrong with feeding the alligators? > — Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) June 30, 2025 Clearly this is about animal welfare and not ethnic cleansing AKA genocide light. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/473 "2025-09-02T10:00:11Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Laura Loomer Oh, I know what Nemo’s out is going to be here… Loomer isn’t an _elected_ official. It’d be the same with Miller’s statements on aborting all African Americans - appointed, not elected, so totally don’t count, right? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/474 "2025-09-02T13:58:38Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Forgive me for not remembering what you find absurd and what you hand wave away. It’s not the first time in this thread that I’ve been accused of holding a position which I’ve explicitly said I don’t hold it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/475 "2025-09-02T14:01:19Z")
> [@JoePockets](#): > > Rome wasn’t built in a day! The path of democratic corrosion is often deceptive because it can unfold entirely through legal or procedural changes and this has been happening the day Trump took office! Yes, Trump and the Republicans are certainly actively working on destroying democracy in this country. And the rule of law. There is ample evidence supporting this. You’ll get no argument from me on that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/476 "2025-09-02T14:07:01Z")
It is not like people aren’t always less than forthcoming about what their position actually is. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/477 "2025-09-02T14:20:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, I know what Nemo’s out is going to be here… Loomer isn’t an _elected_ official. Loomer isn’t an official of any kind, actually. Elected, appointed, anointed… None of those. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/478 "2025-09-02T14:28:52Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Loomer isn’t an official of any kind, actually. Elected, appointed, anointed… None of those. And yet she had almost nonpareil influence over the decisions of Donald Trump. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/479 "2025-09-02T14:33:51Z")
Sadly for this timeline, Loomer isn’t just some rando. She’s had a ridiculous amount of influence over Trump’s decisions. [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/us/politics/trump-nsc-firings-laura-loomer.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/us/politics/trump-nsc-firings-laura-loomer.html) Or if you can’t read that, try this: > **[Laura Loomer | 2025–present](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Loomer#2025%E2%80%93present)** > > Loomer has emerged as an influential actor during the second presidency of Donald Trump. While Loomer does not hold a formal advisory role in the White House, she is known to give advice to President Donald Trump on foreign policy and identify staff members with different ideological viewpoints than the president. > On March 28, 2025, Adam Schleifer, an assistant United States attorney in Los Angeles was fired exactly one hour after Loomer called for his removal. On April 2, Loomer had an Oval Off... ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/480 "2025-09-02T14:40:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Loomer isn’t an official of any kind, actually. Did I say she was? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=25)