# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/481 "2025-09-02T14:45:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Loomer isn’t an official of any kind, actually. > > Did I say she was?. You said: > [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, I know what Nemo’s out is going to be here… Loomer isn’t an _elected_ official. So, you implied that Nemo is being ridiculous to dismiss Loomer as indicative of actual government policy, and you emphasized “elected” to do it. It would be like if someone said that you were a horrible person, and I said, “Hold up, man… MrDibble isn’t a _convicted_ murderer”. If I said that, I’d pretty clearly be implying that you _are_ a murderer, just not a _convicted_ one; and someone who wanted to point that out would be correct to do so. Of course, if you said something like, “Oh, I know what Nemo’s out is going to be here… Loomer isn’t actually an official in any way shape or form and has nothing to do with policy making”, then it would paint _your_ point as ridiculous, not _Nemo’s_. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/482 "2025-09-02T14:48:41Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Of course, if you said something like, “Oh, I know what Nemo’s out is going to be here… Loomer isn’t actually an official in any way shape or form and has nothing to do with policy making”, then it would paint _your_ point as ridiculous, not _Nemo’s_. Of course, you saying this immediately after it being demonstrated that Loomer has had quite a lot of influence on Trump’s policymaking paints _your_ point as ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/483 "2025-09-02T14:49:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Of course, you saying this immediately after it being demonstrated that Loomer has had quite a lot of influence on Trump’s policymaking paints _your_ point as ridiculous It’s great that you think so highly of your link, but you hardly “demonstrated” anything. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/484 "2025-09-02T14:50:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So, you implied that Nemo is being ridiculous to dismiss Loomer as indicative of actual government policy, and you emphasized “elected” to do it. I emphasized “elected” because that’s the word I knew Nemo would raise his objection on. ‘Official’ wasn’t emphasized because I didn’t think it was important - I don’t make a distinction between the Nazis trump has officially appointed like Miller and the ones he just has around him all the time like Loomer. “Official” isn’t like “murderer” in being an accusation in itself. It’s just a loose category but sure, you are correct in your nit. She is not an official. Doesn’t change my actual point (as my other example, Miller, who _is_ an _official_ official, shows) but hey, _anything_ to get the thread away from genocide, amirite? Also, this?: > [@Babale](#): > > has nothing to do with policy making Utter bullshit. Ask any Gazan wanting a humanitarian visa. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/485 "2025-09-02T14:57:05Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It’s great that you think so highly of your link, but you hardly “demonstrated” anything. “If you ignore the evidence, there’s no evidence for it!” is a fun take and certainly on brand for you. As is doubling down on being wrong. Nonetheless, over here in reality Loomer has had a significant influence on many of Trump’s decisions this year. Unless you think just anyone can meet with the President in the Oval Office and convince him to fire the head of the NSA? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/486 "2025-09-02T15:02:51Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Utter bullshit. Ask any Gazan wanting a humanitarian visa. You think that if only Laura Loomer wasn’t there the US would be offering Gazans humanitarian visas? What a fucking joke. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/487 "2025-09-02T15:03:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You think that if only Laura Loomer wasn’t there the US would be offering Gazans humanitarian visas? I don’t think it, I know it, since - _they fucking got them_ up until her interference.. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/488 "2025-09-02T15:05:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Unless you think just anyone can meet with the President in the Oval Office and convince him to fire the head of the NSA? I don’t think _Laura Loomer_ can just convince Trump to fire the head of the NSA. I _do_ think that any old idiot, Laura Loomer included, can take credit for Trump doing what Trump does; and that particularly idiotic individuals might even believe her. They have to be pretty fucking dense, though. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/489 "2025-09-02T15:28:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You think that if only Laura Loomer wasn’t there the US would be offering Gazans humanitarian visas? What a fucking joke. You are the fucking joke by pretending anyone actually said that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/490 "2025-09-02T15:51:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You are the fucking joke by pretending anyone actually said that They did, and then _doubled down_ so it’s pretty hilarious that you’re instead backpedaling to the “no one said this” defense. MrDribble: “I don’t think this, I _know_ this” Czarcasm: “no one said that silly thing!”. Truly, beyond parody 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/491 "2025-09-02T15:59:17Z")
I wonder what Babale would be saying if Loomer had said we should feed every Jew in America to alligators? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/492 "2025-09-02T16:00:45Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I wonder what Babale would be saying if Loomer had said we should feed every Jew in America to alligators The same exact thing I’ll say about her right now: she’s a vile, disgusting human being, and it’s incredibly gross that Trump gives her the time of day. Yet another odious move by the king of odiousness. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/493 "2025-09-02T16:03:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > They did No, I didn’t say it. _You_ did. I merely pointed out the reality that they _did_, in fact, give Gazans humanitarian visas up _until_ Loomer’s interference, to counter that particular strawman. Doesn’t mean the strawman is something I actually said. I mean, everyone is aware ( or should be by now,) that when Babale says “you think…” , he’s about to push a giant heap of only partially-digested straw out of his ass, right? It’s amazing how prehensile his rectum is, that it can mould it into such vaguely manlike shapes. [Wombats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wombat#/media/File:Certified_Wombat_Faeces.jpg) are be jealous of his shit-shaping ability. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/494 "2025-09-02T16:04:26Z")
But hey, nobody’s talking about genocide in this thread anymore, are we? Mission accomplished, _chaver_, mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/495 "2025-09-02T16:05:08Z")
Keep on dribbling. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/496 "2025-09-02T16:06:44Z")
Keep on denying. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/497 "2025-09-02T16:07:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > But hey, nobody’s talking about genocide in this thread anymore, are we? You haven’t _stopped_ dribbling about it, so hardly. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Mission accomplished, _chaver_, mission accomplished. You’re not my friend, mamzer. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/498 "2025-09-02T16:11:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You haven’t _stopped_ dribbling about it Well, sure - because your diversion attempt was so pathetically obvious. Anything for ~~Ze Fatherland~~ Zion, eh? > [@Babale](#): > > You’re not my friend, mamzer. Whatever you say, Phillip. [![](https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN3p4bm1obG01eTA3NHZuYWJyZDVxcjhibW1uYndzc3lnZW51NTlodiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9dg/APHd8p68KMZQF4YuVu/giphy.gif) ](https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN3p4bm1obG01eTA3NHZuYWJyZDVxcjhibW1uYndzc3lnZW51NTlodiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9dg/APHd8p68KMZQF4YuVu/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/499 "2025-09-02T16:36:13Z")
So, to recap: Laura Loomer has called for genocide. Laura Loomer (to quote _Evita_) “holds no elected post.” But I’m not sure which way the goalposts are moving. Since the only individual cited as calling for genocide is a prominent Republican celebrity, is the position “not all Republicans!” or “not all Trumpers!”? Or is it that it can’t be a call for genocide if it just comes from an individual with a large media platform, but must be from an actual member of government? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/500 "2025-09-02T17:14:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I don’t think _Laura Loomer_ can just convince Trump to fire the head of the NSA. > > I _do_ think that any old idiot, Laura Loomer included, can take credit for Trump doing what Trump does; and that particularly idiotic individuals might even believe her. They have to be pretty fucking dense, though. Strangely, “I don’t think so” isn’t an actual rebuttal, even if - as noted - you keep ignoring what actually happened. It’s not just “Loomer said”; there are many other people who witnessed the chain of events AND Trump saying that he has taken advice from Loomer on various things. But in rebuttal, you’ve got…well, nothing. As per usual. I know particular individuals with a long history of being profoundly wrong might think just saying “Nuh-uh” is a compelling argument, but they’d have to be pretty fucking dense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=26)