# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/561 "2025-09-03T00:09:11Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > the claim that there is a genuine plan to feed all of America’s Hispanic citizens to alligators. I think that even racist, bigoted, assholes can do hyperbole. Bit we know what they dream of at night. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/562 "2025-09-03T00:11:17Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > So it’s hysterical to be very, very worried about Trump and his desire to destroy democracy? > > You should stop digging Nemo. Seriously, are you guys even trying? It’s right in the OP. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > He, along with the Republican party, are trying to destroy democracy. Read that sentence. It’s only eleven words long. You can do this. Now explain to me how you read that and then somehow deduced I feel it’s “hysterical to be very, very worried about Trump and his desire to destroy democracy”? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/563 "2025-09-03T00:23:18Z")
So the basic disagreement is whether one factor is the attempt at genocide? That is kinda a side bar, along with every other fucking thing the Trump admin is doing. THERE IS NO WAY TO KEEP UP. But we must not forget all of the crimes. Now we are near crimes against humanity. Think of those that NEEDED USAID. Instead of a solution, they just pulled the rug out. That. Is. Inhumane. Thousands are expected to DIE. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/564 "2025-09-03T01:11:44Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Think of those that NEEDED USAID. Instead of a solution, they just pulled the rug out. > > That. Is. Inhumane. Thousands are expected to DIE. Legally dead or just dead? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/565 "2025-09-03T01:51:48Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Legally dead or just dead? Never existed dead. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/566 "2025-09-03T01:58:17Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Now we are near crimes against humanity. Think of those that NEEDED USAID. Instead of a solution, they just pulled the rug out. Just to be clear, who are we talking about here? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/567 "2025-09-03T02:04:57Z")
Don Rickles. /s Sheeeessss Trump of course. there are plenty to put on that list, but we are talking about Trump. Did you lose your book mark or something? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/568 "2025-09-03T02:07:28Z")
Don’t assume what you’ve written down and posted is as clear to everyone else as it is to you. Who are the people who you say needed American aid? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/569 "2025-09-03T02:30:09Z")
Uh, I posted about that several times already. I guess you rhetorically forgot too. [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/28/nx-s1-5413322/aid-groups-say-usaid-cuts-are-already-having-deadly-consequences](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/28/nx-s1-5413322/aid-groups-say-usaid-cuts-are-already-having-deadly-consequences) > Secretary of State Marco Rubio said at a hearing last week that no one has died from USAID cuts. But aid groups say abruptly shutting down those programs is having deadly consequences. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/570 "2025-09-03T02:56:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Who are the people who you say needed American aid? By and large the same folks that will be hurt first if we do not mitigate climate change. But unlike death from climate change they’ll be dying this year from disease and hunger and not some year in the future because of USAID cuts. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/571 "2025-09-03T03:24:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Uh, I posted about that several times already. I guess you rhetorically forgot too. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > By and large the same folks that will be hurt first if we do not mitigate climate change. > But unlike death from climate change they’ll be dying this year from disease and hunger and not some year in the future because of USAID cuts. I’m not disputing this. I was just asking because the post wasn’t clear. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/572 "2025-09-03T03:30:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was just asking because the post wasn’t clear. You were unclear who USAID benefited? Are you following along with how Trump has been allowed to unlawfully change what the government is required to do? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/573 "2025-09-03T03:34:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > You were unclear who USAID benefited? Like I said, the post wasn’t clear. “Those that needed USAID” could be everyone that received it or some specific set of recipients. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/574 "2025-09-03T03:38:09Z")
Since it effectively no longer exists _everyone_ and _some specific set_ it a distinction with no difference. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/575 "2025-09-03T04:14:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > That’s your boat to float in. Am I allowed to be a grammar Nazi (ahem..) in this thread? “That’s your boat in which to float.” I’ll leave now before I sink. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/576 "2025-09-03T09:25:44Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > “That’s your boat in which to float.” Oh, that’s a much better phrase. Rolls right off the tongue. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/577 "2025-09-03T10:12:28Z")
I was going to reply to the post to me, but I think replying to this will be more instructive. (I reserve the “right” to change my mind and address your post to me later.) > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Sylvanz](#): > > > > This is sensible. Shaming people because they don’t share your opinions is not helpful. In my opinion Nemo is pretty much talking in circles, imagining these amorphous people who agree with them. This appears to enable them to preen and tell us how right he is. > > If I wanted to preen and have people tell me how right I am, would I be posting in this thread? > > No, I’m the guy who showed up at a flat earth society meeting and told everyone in the room the world is round. And everyone in the room has been yelling at me that the earth really is flat, for certain definitions of flat. > > But outside of the room… This is the problem. If you are, as you stated, trying to convince people, then you have to try and find points of agreement. That’s how convincing people works. Furthermore, this is a message board of generally smart people, not flat Earth morons. If everyone is disagreeing with you, that should be a reason for you to investigate what you are saying or at least how you are saying it. It is unlikely that Little Nemo alone knows the truth and everyone else is stupid. That’s conspiracy nut thinking. I can agree with some of what you say. But the second you start telling people they’re wrong to use the actual genuine definition of genocide because you thought it meant something else, is the point where I have to say: fight your own ignorance. Maybe I’ve missed it, but I’ve not seen you take back anything you’ve said or attempt to change how you act. You’re just a snarky asshole, from the start. You continue to use that completely unhelpful (and often considered bigoted) word “hysteria” to mock those who disagree. You made a Pit thread. Seemingly for Der Trihs, because he’s the only one who has actually said the thing you seemed to be upset about originally. You started with one guy who disagreed with you, and got so many more because you won’t shut up and stop digging. This thread is poisoned. You accomplish nothing by posting more in it. (And, yes, there are other snarky people not trying to convince you. They’re taking out their frustrations on an easy target who has said things similar (but not entirely identical) to what they are upset about. You made a Pit thread, so that’s what you get. Want to convince, make a thread in a debate forum. And not those people are not me. I just hate reading someone I trust falling for the shit I used to fall for, thinking I could argue people to stop thinking I’m an asshole.) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/578 "2025-09-03T10:17:38Z")
and, yeah, I try not to make longer posts like the above anymore. But, since I got a reply that seemed thoughtful, I thought I’d take another swing at it. But it would take way way too much effort to make it shorter and decide the most important parts to keep. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/579 "2025-09-03T12:09:08Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Since it effectively no longer exists _everyone_ and _some specific set_ it a distinction with no difference. Little\_Nemo is either completely out of touch, or is just trying to muddy the waters. Our responses to them have been clear. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/580 "2025-09-03T13:59:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Furthermore, this is a message board of generally smart people, not flat Earth morons. If everyone is disagreeing with you, that should be a reason for you to investigate what you are saying or at least how you are saying it. > > It is unlikely that Little Nemo alone knows the truth and everyone else is stupid. That’s conspiracy nut thinking. Yes, this point has been brought several times. That everyone is in disagreement with me and I’m imagining that people agree with my position. This is not the case. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I agree with these points. > > Know one’s enemy. > > Vastly overstating the threat can be the liberal version of, [Obeying in advance.](https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny/) Be kind to language. > [@Bullitt](#): > > Clearly Trump is an asshole and terrible. But I’m with @Little_Nemo and @Measure_for_Measure . Over the top hysteria doesn’t help anyone. > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I basically agree with the OP. But there is no one right or best way to feel about Trump and especially those who are using him for their own ends. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > I agree that Trump - and his minions - are not planning on what most of us would define as genocide, slavery, nuclear war. > [@Velocity](#): > > I agree with the OP. There’s different degrees of evil. On a 1-10, with 1 being the least and 10 being the most evil, Trump is maybe a 4 or 5. When Dopers and other Trump opponents keep saying “He’s ten, ten, ten, ten!” - it’s not only crying wolf, but also essentially drowns out any meaningful discussion on whether Trump is now slowly progressing from 5 to 6. > [@asterion](#): > > I’d argue that one of the problems we’re having now is that we heard about how Romney was evil, and McCain, and of course Bush, and don’t forget the cause of every problem in this country for the last 50 years Reagan. Pretty much all fascists too. Parts of the left have attacked every Republican politician so hard for so long that people tune out Trump as more of the same. Especially if they’re not actively paying attention to what is happening. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I agree with issues about premature rhetoric. Using the word “genocide” too early and eagerly kind of robs the power of it. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > this type of rhetoric is exactly what the OP was talking about. America has not collapsed. It may yet, it is teetering, but it has not fallen to anything that isn’t recoverable. I’ll note these posts came in the first days of the thread. Along with these. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Yeah, this thread ain’t gonna end well. > [@Chefguy](#): > > ::cracks open the door, peaks into the room, backs slowly out and closes the door quietly:: You guys shouldn’t assume that just because other people have stopped arguing with you that means you’ve won the argument and everyone now agrees with you. It could mean that people who disagree with you have decided it’s pointless to argue with you on this issue. The only reason I’m still here when others have left is because I started the thread. I feel some sense of obligation to respond to posts made in it. Otherwise, I’d be off running Feud threads or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=30)