# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/721 "2025-09-27T17:28:04Z")
What if they make them cease to exist without killing them? (Force people to use the sex assigned at birth, make it physically dangerous to be trans, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/722 "2025-09-27T17:28:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I realize that some people have a different definition of genocide and they feel that you can have a genocide without any actual killing Genocides don’t have to involve actual killing. This is not really debatable. Disagree all you want, doesn’t change that. “Intent to destroy” is the thing, and that can happen without killing. Where a skilled pedant might have standing to argue is that, strictly, genocides are about an ethnicity or a people or similar. But as far as I’m concerned that ship sailed with the Holocaust and sank well-and-truly with Stonewall. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/723 "2025-09-27T17:34:10Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > What if they make them cease to exist without killing them? (Force people to use the sex assigned at birth, make it physically dangerous to be trans, etc.) I don’t recognize MrDibbles’ authority to declare the definition of words. So I’m sticking with what I’ve said. Genocide is when you try to eliminate a group by killing the people in that group. Forcing people to go into hiding, deporting people out of the country, or putting people into prisons are not the same as killing people. These are serious crimes but they’re not genocide. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/724 "2025-09-27T17:38:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t recognize MrDibbles’ authority to declare the definition of words. Do you recognize the authority of the man who coined the word genocide? > **[Cultural genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide)** > > Cultural genocide or culturicide is a concept first described by Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin in 1944, in the same book that coined the term genocide. The destruction of culture was a central component in Lemkin's formulation of genocide. The precise definition of cultural genocide remains contested, and the United Nations does not include it in the definition of genocide used in the 1948 Genocide Convention. The Armenian genocide Museum defines culturicide as "acts and measures undertak Cultu... ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/725 "2025-09-27T17:39:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t recognize MrDibbles’ authority to declare the definition of words. I’m not the one making the definitions. I’m just the one _not_ cherry-picking the _few_ out of the _mountain_ of them that mandates killing as a component. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/726 "2025-09-27T17:46:44Z")
🙉🙈🙊 Extra characters. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/727 "2025-09-27T17:54:15Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Do you recognize the authority of the man who coined the word genocide? You mean the man who invented two different words, culturicide and genocide, to describe two different things? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/728 "2025-09-27T17:59:10Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > 🙉🙈🙊 > > Extra characters. I’m not ignoring the issue. I’ve consistently said this. I just don’t feel the need to exaggerate the issue while I fight it. I can fight against attacks on civil rights and democracy and the rule of law without feeling the need to claim I’m fighting against genocide. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/729 "2025-09-27T18:00:26Z")
Your answer to my question in no way requires me to answer that question. Try again, here’s a clue _yes_, _no_, or _maybe with an explanation_. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/730 "2025-09-27T18:07:55Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Your answer to my question in no way requires me to answer that question. Try again, here’s a clue _yes_, _no_, or _maybe with an explanation_ Okay. Yes, I recognize Raphael Lemkin as an authority on the meaning of the words culturicide and genocide. No, Raphael Lemkin did not say that culturicide and genocide are the same thing. That’s why he invented two different words for them. Maybe, with an explanation. I would recognize MrDibbles’ authority to declare the definition of the word genocide if he is Raphael Lemkin. But Raphael Lemkin died in 1959 so I think that’s unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/731 "2025-09-27T18:12:42Z")
Trump claims that Portland, Oregon, is at war. This is news to Portland. So he’s sending in the troops. [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddmn6ge6e2o](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddmn6ge6e2o) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/732 "2025-09-27T18:15:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, Raphael Lemkin did not say that culturicide and genocide are the same thing. That’s why he invented two different words for them. Did you read the link? > **Etymology** > The notion of ‘cultural genocide’ was acknowledged as early as 1944, when lawyer Raphael Lemkin distinguished a cultural component of genocide. Now, I’m sure you’re going to argue it but it’s pretty clear to me from that that cultural genocide is a subset of genocide according to it’s coiner. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/733 "2025-09-27T18:16:41Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m just the one _not_ cherry-picking the _few_ out of the _mountain_ of them that mandates killing as a component. Again, looking for clarification here. Are you saying that the mountain of uses of the word genocide mandates killing as a component? If so, I agree. Or are you saying that only a few uses of the word genocide mandates killing as a component? If so, I disagree. Even if you are right to the extent that a non-killing definition of genocide is correct (which I don’t think you are) that normal usage of the word includes killing people. If you use the word genocide, most people are going to think you’re talking about killing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/734 "2025-09-27T18:17:59Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Trump claims that Portland, Oregon, is at war. This is news to Portland. > > So he’s sending in the troops. > > [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddmn6ge6e2o](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddmn6ge6e2o) It would be over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria for us to claim that Trump has declared war on Portland without evidence of military action. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/735 "2025-09-27T18:18:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’ve been hesitating on doing this because I’ve been hoping this thread will wind down. Then why the hell do you keep _winding it back up??_ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/736 "2025-09-27T18:22:35Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Now, I’m sure you’re going to argue it but it’s pretty clear to me from that that cultural genocide is a subset of genocide according to it’s coiner. I’m familiar with Lemkin’s work and this is not what he said. Lemkin said that genocide involves killing people. Culturicide is attacking a people’s culture. Culturicide and genocide are two different things. The connection Lemkin saw between culturicide and genocide is that often occur together. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/737 "2025-09-27T18:24:01Z")
I think – if that were _actually_ what you were doing – you’d get very close to no pushback whatsoever for doing it. But that’s not what you’re _actually_ doing. ETA: > [@The argument that Trump will do whatever he wants and no one can stop him is really fucking boring](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/745): > > Nah. It’s commonly meant to refer to the weakest form OF an opponent’s argument. And for the majority of us, it is NOT our argument at all. That, too, makes it a textbook straw man argument. Couple that with his arrogant insistence that people being pessimistic makes them fatalistic, paralyzed, and/or suicidal. How many of us must tell him that this is NOT what he’s seeing before he even begins to accept that we know what’s in our heads better than he does? If we aren’t worried on his term… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/738 "2025-09-27T18:26:36Z")
No one said he did. Trump is claiming that Portland is at war with “somebody”. Unnamed. 🥸 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/739 "2025-09-27T18:28:38Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I think – if that were _actually_ what you were doing – you’d get very close to no pushback whatsoever for doing it. I think this thread has demonstrated this is not the case. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > But that’s not what you’re _actually_ doing. I have no secret agenda here. People claiming they have figured out my secret agenda are therefore wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/740 "2025-09-27T18:29:49Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Trump is claiming that Portland is at war with “somebody”. Shouldn’t Trump’s response to that be wishing both sides good luck? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=38)