# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/741 "2025-09-27T18:32:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have no secret agenda here. People claiming they have figured out my secret agenda are therefore wrong. I never claimed it was a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/742 "2025-09-27T18:50:06Z")
The “geno-” in “genocide” comes from Greek γένος. The relevant part of the definition (from Wiktionary): 1. [tribe](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tribe#English), [nation](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nation#English), [race](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/race#English), as a [subdivision](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subdivision#English) of _[ἔθνος](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%94%CE%B8%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek)_ (éthnos). It seems to me that if you commit cultural genocide, the άνθρωποι (human beings) are still alive, but their γένος is not. That is what has been killed. That is the point of the term. Now, one quick way to do this is to murder people en masse, but that’s just one way. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/743 "2025-09-27T19:23:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Are you saying that the mountain of uses of the word genocide mandates killing as a component? No. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Or are you saying that only a few uses of the word genocide mandates killing as a component? I Yes > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If so, I disagree. Doesn’t matter if you disagree. By my count, only 11 of the 41 definitions on the previously-linked wikipedia list of definitions mandate homocide as a necessary component. You are simply incorrect. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Even if you are right to the extent that a non-killing definition of genocide is correct (which I don’t think you are) that normal usage of the word includes killing people. I don’t give a fuck what “normal people” think genocide means. I give a shit what it _actually_ is. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/744 "2025-09-28T00:23:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was only when I read the reference to a flotilla that I realized they were talking about the Gazan genocide. …are you _kidding me_? Was this not a clue as to which genocide I was talking about? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …welcome comrade to the fight. > > So what are you going to do to stop America’s support **of the genocide in Gaza?** **Bolding** mine. Or my first response you in this thread? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it’s telling that this is your very first bullet point, when Trump (and Biden before him) have funded and give approval to the extermination of the Palestinians, a genocide that is being live-streamed on TikTok for all the world to see. Or the fact that over the last year I’ve only really posted about Gaza LOL. That wasn’t a big clue? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Genocide is when you try to eliminate a group by killing the people in that group. I’ve shared the link already in this thread. But here is the genocide convention: > **[Doc.1\_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf](https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf)** > > 43.13 KB The important word here isn’t “killing”, but _destroy_. > [@the genocide convention](#): > > genocide means any of the following acts committed with **intent** to **destroy** , in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group I’ve bolded two keywords here: firstly _intent_, and secondly _destroy_. Under the convention, “killing” is indeed, one of the five acts when, targeting a group with the intent to destroy, would be considered an act of genocide. (And in Gaza the latest UN report concludes that Israel are committing four out of five of those acts) Two of the acts are: > [@genocide convention](#): > > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its > physical destruction in whole or in part; In the UK they are trying to ban trans people from using the bathrooms of the gender they align with. They’ve already criminalised the use of puberty blockers for (only) trans affirming care for children, and there _will_ be attempts to ban trans affirming care for _everyone_. There is _intent_ here. There is an irrational hatred of trans people, and some people don’t want them in society. And by banning trans affirming care for ALL people, along with making it near impossible to go out in public, trans people will be _forced_ to de-transition. Arguably, this is _textbook genocide_. People want trans people to no longer exist. So they are inflicting on the group conditions of life (removing the ability to access trans healthcare, forced de-transitions, shunning them in public, banning them from using certain facilities) to bring about their destruction in whole or in part. You aren’t killing them. But four out of five acts of genocide under the convention don’t explicitly require killing. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If you use the word genocide, most people are going to think you’re talking about killing. Considering the entire premise of this thread, and the fact that this was all explained to you _weeks_ ago, yet you still don’t get it, I don’t think you get to dictate what words other people use, especially when they are using the words _correctly_. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/745 "2025-09-28T04:24:59Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Genocide is when you try to eliminate a group by killing the people in that group. I doubt it’ll do any good, but I just want to add one more vote for, “You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/746 "2025-09-28T13:40:19Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Considering the entire premise of this thread, and the fact that this was all explained to you _weeks_ ago, yet you still don’t get it, I don’t think you get to dictate what words other people use, especially when they are using the words _correctly_. Your argument boils down to saying that I don’t get to dictate what a word means because you get to dictate what a word means. It’s not a convincing argument. It’s pretty much the same as the argument I’ve been hearing about political views. People tell me I should support other people’s opinions in the name of anti-Trump solidarity. But they don’t feel any obligation to support my opinions for the same reason. I get it. This is an argument about having the true faith and I’m the atheist in the temple. But here’s the point. This thread isn’t about whether the true faith is real or not. This thread is about what works. And I can tell you right now, as a non-believer, you guys aren’t winning over any converts. The point isn’t to sit inside a small circle of like-minded people and tell each other that you hate Trump more than anyone else hates Trump. That doesn’t accomplish anything. What needs to be done is to go out in the world and talk to people. We need to convince people who aren’t in the anti-Trump movement now to join the anti-Trump movement. And telling those people that they should believe the same things you believe because your beliefs are right and their beliefs are wrong isn’t going to work very well. You can’t even convince me your beliefs are right and I’m already part of the anti-Trump movement. And it’s because I’m also a part of the anti-Trump movement that I’m telling you guys this. Don’t worry, I’m keeping this between us. I’m not going to go out and tell people on the outside about these disagreements. I’ll defend you guys to the best of my abilities. But when it’s just us in the room, like it is here, I’m going to tell you guys you’re not holding up your end. And you need to do better because this is important. That’s what the entire premise of this thread is. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/747 "2025-09-28T13:57:51Z")
I feel like when there’s an emotionally charged word like “genocide” that is used differently by different people, it’s better to agree that “starving a population and bombing their homes and water supplies and hospitals” is a terrible thing than it is to squabble over whether that meets this or that person’s definition of “genocide”. Because whatever name you want to put on it, what Israel is doing to Gaza is fucking horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/748 "2025-09-28T14:13:44Z")
Starvation, land stealing and mass killing abound…and apparently the solution is calmness and dictionary definitions. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/749 "2025-09-28T15:15:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Your argument boils down to saying that I don’t get to dictate what a word means because you get to dictate what a word means. It’s not a convincing argument. You must be reading different posts than I am, because the argument as I read it is that you don’t get to object to the definition of ‘genocide’ used by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This isn’t two people arguing about their own idiosyncratic definitions of a word. This is you arguing for your own idiosyncratic definition against numerous other people arguing that common usage from many prominent sources disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/750 "2025-09-28T15:31:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And I can tell you right now, as a non-believer, you guys aren’t winning over any converts. Can you substantiate that opinion with anything other than [**Proof by Assertion**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion)? After that – heads up – I’ll ask you if you can do the same for the position for which you continue to advocate. In sum: - Where’s your evidence that what people are doing isn’t working (remembering that correlation \<\> causation), _and_ - Where’s your evidence that your way will? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/751 "2025-09-28T16:03:10Z")
ETA: While I’m stacking up questions that seem awfully relevant… > [@I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/666): > > I’ll go back to my (exaggerated for effect) prior comment: Der\_Trihs is not Laura Loomer. Lemme’ go a step further. The “They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets … of the people … that live there” lie was told by – among others – Donald J. Trump and J.D. Vance, in, at, and on profoundly public platforms and events. Where’s the Democratic equivalent? Fox (and other conservative outlets) spreads every lie that MAGA tells, or wants them to tell. Despite havi… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/752 "2025-09-28T16:03:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > apparently the solution is calmness and dictionary definitions. A… _final_ solution? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/753 "2025-09-28T23:11:07Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Your argument boils down to saying that I don’t get to dictate what a word means because you get to dictate what a word means. …it doesn’t boil down to this at all. Are you even reading anything I’m saying? You can use the word any way you like. If you want to look stupid, I’m not going to stop you. But we are using the word _correctly_. And I’m going to continue to use the word if it’s the most appropriate word to use. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s pretty much the same as the argument I’ve been hearing about political views. People tell me I should support other people’s opinions in the name of anti-Trump solidarity. But they don’t feel any obligation to support my opinions for the same reason. > > I get it. This is an argument about having the true faith and I’m the atheist in the temple. > > But here’s the point. This thread isn’t about whether the true faith is real or not. This thread is about what works. And I can tell you right now, as a non-believer, you guys aren’t winning over any converts. > > The point isn’t to sit inside a small circle of like-minded people and tell each other that you hate Trump more than anyone else hates Trump. That doesn’t accomplish anything. > > What needs to be done is to go out in the world and talk to people. We need to convince people who aren’t in the anti-Trump movement now to join the anti-Trump movement. > > And telling those people that they should believe the same things you believe because your beliefs are right and their beliefs are wrong isn’t going to work very well. You can’t even convince me your beliefs are right and I’m already part of the anti-Trump movement. > > And it’s because I’m also a part of the anti-Trump movement that I’m telling you guys this. Don’t worry, I’m keeping this between us. I’m not going to go out and tell people on the outside about these disagreements. I’ll defend you guys to the best of my abilities. > > But when it’s just us in the room, like it is here, I’m going to tell you guys you’re not holding up your end. And you need to do better because this is important. What is this sanctimonious bullshit? Are you trolling? Its the only reason I can imagine for someone to write out all of this nonsense. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s what the entire premise of this thread is. In other words: you think you are smarter than the rest of us and have got the whole thing figured out. But you aren’t smarter than us. Because ultimately this isn’t about Trump. I don’t live in America. Trump isn’t my President. But I’ve got people running my country that are speed-running us down the MAGA playbook. Because this is about a global rise in authoritarianism and it’s being driven by some of the worst people in the world. And the biggest mistake you can make right now is thinking It’s just about Trump, and that you can fix it by convincing people to just be “anti-Trump”, when at the last election the Dems essentially ran on nothing but “anti-Trump” and they ended up losing the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Being “anti-Trump” isn’t enough. You’ve got to give people _something to vote for_. Which is why the premise (as you’ve just defined it) of this thread is _fundamentally flawed_. The global rise in authoritarianism doesn’t end when Trump goes away. And what you characterise as “hysteria” is _barely registerable_ compared to the scale of over-the-top rhetoric being amplified by the alt-right media machine. What this “hysteria” comes down to is a few random’s saying stuff on the internet that personally annoy you. And while I’m sorry it annoys you: I’m not going to join the crusade to stop it. There are more important battles to fight. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/754 "2025-09-28T23:16:43Z")
Nothing to see, don’t worry the courts won’t allow this, stop being so hysterical, > **[Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence](https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/countering-domestic-terrorism-and-organized-political-violence/)** > > NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM/NSPM-7 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE                THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/755 "2025-09-29T00:32:54Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I feel like when there’s an emotionally charged word like “genocide” that is used differently by different people, it’s better to agree that “starving a population and bombing their homes and water supplies and hospitals” is a terrible thing than it is to squabble over whether that meets this or that person’s definition of “genocide”. …I respectfully disagree. What the word genocide tells us is _intent_. There are a few responses in this thread from people that otherwise have perfectly uncontroversial post history that left me rather shocked. > [@What do Gazan civilians have to do to qualify for greater support from the DNC?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-gazan-civilians-have-to-do-to-qualify-for-greater-support-from-the-dnc/1023242): > > On the surface, one would think Gazan civilians fit the criteria of everything that ought to get the sympathy or support of the DNC: Collateral damage (civilians) being killed - check Hospitals being bombed - check An underdog being run over by an upper-dog (for lack of a better term) - check Journalists, aid workers killed - check Children being killed - check Racial minority being killed - check (yes, Arabs are not a minority in the Middle East, but they are in America, and the Arab-American… Some quotes from that thread: “the Palestinians are going to get little more than thoughts and prayers from me. They are not a priority for me.” “I don’t think Palestinian babies should get to live over Israeli babies.” “Some of us see what is happening in Gaza as something the Palestinians chose” “how treating them as innocent brown victims” “Stopping one genocide is simply helping another one begin.” “The Palestinian people are less like innocent brown victims of the white judeo-christian war machine and more like white nationalists in alabama.” “You’re assuming everyone in the democratic party views the people of Gaza as innocent civilians.” There is a very nasty, prevailing undercurrent not just here, but basically everywhere you look, that Palestinians are somehow _less than human_. It’s why the decades of inhumane treatment they’ve had to live through has been tolerated. Because many believe they deserve it. And when people hear that they are “starving a population and bombing their homes and water supplies and hospitals” they don’t fucking care. Because it isn’t happening to people. It’s happening to Palestinians. And they don’t matter as much. What genocide defines is _intent_. The starvation isn’t happening “because it’s just a war.” It’s because it’s a _deliberate attempt to destroy the Palestinian people_. This isn’t a mere quibble over definitions. Multiple organisations and a near complete consensus of genocide scholars are calling this a genocide. They’ve done that after a thorough examination of the evidence. And that changes things. When this all started, calling what was happening in Gaza a genocide was controversial. Now it is not. The reality is that “being fucking horrible” isn’t confronting enough, because there are plenty of people that think Palestinians had these fucking horrible things coming to them. If you don’t want to use the word genocide, that’s fine. But what is happening to Palestinians (not just in Gaza) are _attempts to destroy them._ Its more than just attacks on the ground. Its what we are seeing in the West Bank, its why we are seeing the attacks on UNRWA, because they are trying to _delegitimise refugee status_. It’s why I think the word genocide is not only appropriate here, but it _should_ be used because it most accurately describes what is happening in _totality_. And I think the same goes for trans people. What they are facing _is_ genocide. What MAGA want, what the government in the UK is doing, what many Democrats want, and again it’s another case of letting people know what the stakes are. It’s just “sports” at the moment. “Protecting women” in bathrooms. “Protecting the kids” in healthcare. But they are all _incremental_ steps with the goal of removing trans people from society. We need to put a stop to it _now_. Stop conceding ground. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/756 "2025-09-29T00:55:58Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There is a very nasty, prevailing undercurrent not just here, but basically everywhere you look, that Palestinians are somehow _less than human_. Would you feel better or worse — or no different — if everyone you just quoted assured you, slowly and patiently, that, _uh, no, we know full well that the Palestinians are, in fact, human, see?_ ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/757 "2025-09-29T01:22:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Would you feel better or worse — or no different — if everyone you just quoted assured you, slowly and patiently, that, _uh, no, we know full well that the Palestinians are, in fact, human, see?_ …I just wanted to point out to everyone unfamiliar with The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper that they literally support the genocide of the Palestinian people, and aren’t afraid to let everyone know. Cite. > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4737): > > > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4735): > > > > So, for the sake of clarity: you _support_ atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th? > > I don’t see how you could possibly need further clarity at this point, but: yes, I support the atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th. I don’t give a fuck what you _claim_ you think about Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/758 "2025-09-29T01:26:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I don’t give a fuck what you _claim_ you think about Palestinians. I don’t believe I’m one of the people that you quoted just before you said that “There is a very nasty, prevailing undercurrent not just here, but basically everywhere you look, that Palestinians are somehow _less than human_.” My question was how you’d feel if those people — not me, but the ones ‘you just quoted’ — assured you that they know full well that the Palestinians are, in fact, human. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/759 "2025-09-29T01:36:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I don’t believe I’m one of the people that you quoted just before you said that “There is a very nasty, prevailing undercurrent not just here, but basically everywhere you look, that Palestinians are somehow _less than human_.” …and yet: here you are. The perfect example of it. Well done on revealing yourself. Hey everyone: this is what hatred looks like. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > My question was how you’d feel if those people — not me, but the ones ‘you just quoted’ — assured you that they know full well that the Palestinians are, in fact, human. I think their words speak for themselves. And I don’t think “I don’t think Palestinian babies should get to live over Israeli babies” needs any clarification here? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/760 "2025-09-29T01:47:39Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and yet: here you are. The perfect example of it. Well done on revealing yourself. > > Hey everyone: this is what hatred looks like. I think you’re making a factual error. You seem to think that various people believe Palestinians are “somehow less than human.” I think that you’re incorrect: I think that they _do,_ in fact, believe Palestinians are human. If you’re correct, then, sure, you could presumably make a big difference by mentioning something they don’t already know — but if you’re _incorrect_, if they of course _already know that,_ then what the heck have you accomplished by telling them what they already know? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=39)