# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/781 "2025-09-29T05:42:08Z")
Plenty of talk about the Gazan genocide that didn’t involve BB around the 3rd/4th. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/782 "2025-09-29T13:04:12Z")
“Of course they’re human but I want them slaughtered anyway.” Fuck off, Waldo. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/783 "2025-09-29T14:32:19Z")
I’ve tried to follow this thread, but everytime nemo makes some self-serving, dismissive proclamation that nemo and only the all wise nemo knows _The Right Way_ to fight trump, fascism, or any wrong in the world, makes me roll my eyes, and I get a headache. I give up. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/784 "2025-10-01T16:15:08Z")
This current P&E thread is a good demonstration of what the OP was getting at way upthread. > [@Trump will invade Canada](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-invade-canada/1023567): > > Trump has the examples he needs. Netanyahu and Putin have not suffered politically from their blatant invasions. Same for Trump sending troops into US cities. You take some flak, but when it’s done it can’t be undone, you win. Also, he has the example of France in WW2. Faced with the destructive fact of war, France chose capitulation. Given the problem, I am certain the US military can come up with a quick, cheap take over plan. A few seal teams to secure the people and places of governance. … No personal animus against **Crane**. Despondency in the face of the Trump administration’s actions is excusable. It’s just that “_US invasion of Canada_” isn’t the kind of thing to which the U.S. anti-Trump populace should feel compelled to immediately devote resources. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/785 "2025-10-01T16:21:06Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Despondency in the face of the Trump administration’s actions is excusable. Let’s watch what happens in Portland. Probably nothing, but Trump will broadcast triumph and move on to what is next. I agree with your point, but there may come a time when known only to the mind of Trump, we will teeter on the brink. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/786 "2025-10-01T16:45:03Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Let’s watch what happens in Portland. **Probably nothing** , but Trump will broadcast triumph and move on to what is next. Correct, Oregon’s governor has already warned Trump off as Pritzker did in Illinois. From **[Monday’s Status Kuo Substack](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/holding-our-collective-breath)**: > Whenever Trump says something crazy (“We’re going to war in Chicago! I’m ordering Pam Bondi to prosecute my enemies! I’m sending troops into Portland!”), we should first hit pause. Begin from the presumption that Trump is saying something to grab attention, and that he relishes how everyone jumps and scrambles to deal with whatever consequences will flow from his words. > > Whether he will follow through—and if he does whether it will be effective—are different questions entirely. In the case of invading Chicago or Portland with the “full force” of the military, he backed down over Chicago and last night apparently backed down over Portland after Gov. Tina Kotek actually [spoke with him](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/trump-seems-to-back-off-portland-military-plan/283-e9c6bdfb-92d6-4881-bb74-09bb325a5270?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KGW-TV) and explained that what Fox News was showing him wasn’t the reality on the ground. > > **What we get instead are displays of force meant to demonstrate power without actually seizing it.** We saw this in the MacArthur Park display in Los Angeles, on the streets of downtown Chicago yesterday, and around D.C. with the National Guard. The White House knows it has to be careful not to cross the line, however, or it could face adverse judicial rulings as in California. Indeed, even while Gov. Kotek was defusing the situation, she and the mayor of Portland [filed a lawsuit](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/oregon-portland-sue-trump-admin-to-stop-troop-deployments-248546373541) on Sunday to challenge the troop deployment. > > The fact is, as Pete Buttigieg [noted](https://x.com/petebuttigieg/status/1969411121867059308?s=61&t=dlYuBcwzZXmET9Xd_RRdaQ) on social media, in a post seen by over five million users, Trump is not as popular as he wants us to believe, and we are far more powerful than he wants us to think. This is particularly true in the blue states, where his ability to deploy troops is constrained by our federal system and the Posse Comitatus Act. > > **When Trump threatens a city within a blue state, it gives another governor and another mayor a crack at reasserting the limits of his power. Each time he does it and backs down—in Los Angeles, California; in Chicago, Illinois and now in Portland, Oregon—another pair of blue angels earns their wings**. That means the _important_ thing isn’t that Trump has threatened another city, as he will continue to do just to grab attention and freak people out. The important thing is to look at and appreciate how effectively the leadership and the citizens of that city stood up to him and helped shore up our system. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/787 "2025-10-01T17:04:09Z")
But Trump need only succeed in his own mind to encourage him to move on. He keeps saying that Washington DC is a revitalized community without crime and with citizens mowing previously unkept lawns. It is a Trump created utopia. Portland is next. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/788 "2025-10-01T17:12:55Z")
Let’s see what happens. **[NPR put out a good wrap-up article](https://www.npr.org/2025/10/01/nx-s1-5558457/portland-chicago-memphis-trump-national-guard)** about all this earlier today. Looks like at the moment, Hegseth is still aiming to mobilize some of Oregon’s National Guard into Portland. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Gordon\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_G)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/789 "2025-10-01T17:34:01Z")
I think Little Nemo makes a good point. When rational people talk among themselves it’s fine to compare Trump with Hitler or Putin. (Although Hitler was a fiery orator with well-defined goals for the German nation, while Trump babbles incoherently and is almost too illiterate to read a teleprompter. And although Putin has organized Russia into a giant criminal organization with Putin controlling as much wealth as Elon Musk, while Trump pursues only blatant or simple-minded grifts, and even plays as baby brat to steal a gold trophy.) But MAGA supporters are a stupid unimaginative bunch and only the most clear-cut anti-Trump claims should be made when trying to pound sense into their heads. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/790 "2025-10-01T18:00:30Z")
Yesterday, Trump told America’s generals that American cities should be training grounds for our troops. Let’s pretend, for a moment, that any other leader, one with nukes, said something like that. If you’re not terrified about what he might do, “hysterical”, I guess, then you should be terrified that he’s the one that controls the nukes with essentially no checks. I think anti-Trump hysteria is warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/791 "2025-10-01T20:27:29Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > But MAGA supporters are a stupid unimaginative bunch and only the most clear-cut anti-Trump claims should be made when trying to pound sense into their heads. The problem is that it’s a fool’s cause to try to convince these people, and there are a lot of other people who could probably be energized and mobilized if we turn our efforts to them instead. I’m happy to leave the work of convincing MAGA and MAGA-adjacent folks to organizations like this one: [https://leavingmaga.org/](https://leavingmaga.org/) The rest of us should find groups of people who are actually reachable by people like us, and talk to them. It’s far more efficient. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/792 "2025-10-01T20:41:16Z")
One thing never to lose sight of – from Scott Galloway: > Arguably the most powerful person in domestic politics. Right now is Epstein posthumously because he basically shut down the government. And in order for Speaker Johnson to try and get this out of the news cycle, he dismissed Congress early. And I believe, and, and this is my thesis, that there are 5 or 6 people in a room querying AI. How do we keep Epstein out of the news cycle? I think there was a concerted, methodical and quite frankly quite effective strategy right now of everyday pushing Epstein out of the media cycle. “Flood the zone with bullshit” and “muzzle velocity” were Steve Bannon’s pithy phrases to characterize their style of ‘governance.’ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/793 "2025-10-01T22:26:56Z")
I think he confused ‘governance’ and ‘control.’ ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/794 "2025-10-02T02:24:26Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Let’s pretend, for a moment, that any other leader, one with nukes, said something like that. If you’re not terrified about what he might do, “hysterical”, I guess, then you should be terrified that he’s the one that controls the nukes with essentially no checks. I think anti-Trump hysteria is warranted. Naw. As another thread so eloquently stated my views, I am bored. You just can’t begin to fathom how utterly fucking _bored_ I am of this blustery, yet harmless, administration. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/795 "2025-10-02T04:08:50Z")
Now you’ve got my curiosity up, and I am wondering what the fuck _would_ excite you? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/796 "2025-10-02T04:30:03Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Naw. As another thread so eloquently stated my views, I am bored. You just can’t begin to fathom how utterly fucking _bored_ I am of this blustery, yet harmless, administration. A outright delusional statement, considering that they’ve _done_ vast amounts of harm. Was Jack the Ripper just a harmless prankster to you? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/797 "2025-10-02T09:31:56Z")
Jack the Ripper was not dangerous to MALE prostitutes! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/798 "2025-10-02T10:08:22Z")
The Trump administration is harmless? That’s the most willfully ignorant, or most shockingly naive thing I’ve read since Trump’s first election. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/799 "2025-10-02T11:11:25Z")
So true. Trump, Mr. “I want my Nobel Peace prize and I will kill to get it” Is just itching to start a war. And he has. It’s a war against the USA. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/800 "2025-10-02T16:16:49Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Whenever Trump says something crazy (“We’re going to war in Chicago! I’m ordering Pam Bondi to prosecute my enemies! I’m sending troops into Portland!”), we should first hit pause. Begin from the presumption that Trump is saying something to grab attention, and that he relishes how everyone jumps and scrambles to deal with whatever consequences will flow from his words. (Quote is Jay Kuo’s) Excellent point. Lots of what Trump is doing is truly awful and must be resisted…but we shouldn’t waste energy on things that are mostly just performative bluster. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=41)