# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/922 "2026-01-30T16:22:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What makes you think people are going to be willing to break the law for Trump now when they refused to before? My eyes and ears. What’s preventing you? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/923 "2026-01-30T17:15:34Z")
> [@irae](#): > > My eyes and ears Your eyes and ears are manufacturing hallucinations that make you think that people will break the law for Trump? Or are there real things in the real world that you’ve seen and heard that make you think that? If the latter, I assume that’s what Smapti was asking for, not a list of sensory organs. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/924 "2026-01-30T17:25:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Or are there real things in the real world that you’ve seen and heard that make you think that? I’ve seen “Ted” Cruz and Lil Marco transform from staunch never-Trump patriots to the cringing, enabling lickspittles they are today, as a fairly obvious example. Think they’d balk at breaking a law? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/925 "2026-01-30T17:31:05Z")
Hallucinations? > **[Judge in Minnesota says ICE has violated nearly 100 court orders](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/judge-in-minnesota-says-ice-has-violated-nearly-100-court-orders/)** > > The broadside by Judge Patrick J. Schiltz came in a ruling in which he temporarily rescinded an order he had issued summoning the acting director of ICE, to appear in court. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/926 "2026-01-30T18:12:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > To use your analogy, it’s 1941. Some people are saying that Hitler is conquering Europe and we should be sending troops and supplies to Europe to fight Hitler. …and therefore, we don’t need to put any defenses in Pearl Harbor, because Hawaii isn’t in Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/927 "2026-01-30T19:56:14Z")
> [@irae](#): > > I’ve seen “Ted” Cruz and Lil Marco transform from staunch never-Trump patriots to the cringing, enabling lickspittles they are today, as a fairly obvious example. Neither of them have any power over the electoral process. What makes you think Brian Kemp is suddenly going to decide he wants to break the law to help Trump when he refused to in 2020? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/928 "2026-01-30T20:00:27Z")
Because this time there are assholes like you telling people to get out of his way because there is nothing to worry about, so his support strengthens? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/929 "2026-01-30T20:01:09Z")
I don’t think you understand how power works. Rubio and Cruz are not doing what they are doing because they are keen rule-followers. They are doing what they are doing in order to get to a place where they don’t HAVE to follow rules. The electoral process is a bit like the Consitution or a Court Order—it’s not something that just magically happens. It happens because people agree that it should be done and then people sit down and do it. If enough people don’t agree that it should be done, despite past custom and procedure, and / or don’t actually do it, it doesn’t happen. In this scenario, what I think is most likely is that it happens badly, to the degree that both sides will declare victory, and then they’ve achieved the twin aims of destroying confidence in elections, and not outright losing said elections. As they are the party in power, the victory would be more likely to go to their team. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/930 "2026-01-30T20:02:22Z")
Sure. **I’m** the one who’s going to push him into suddenly deciding that he wants to risk spending the rest of his life in prison in order to help a senile octogenarian become a dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/931 "2026-01-30T20:02:58Z")
In more “Don’t worry your little heads about it” news, Don Lemon was arrested for reporting on an anti-ICE protest at a church. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/932 "2026-01-30T20:03:52Z")
Check your ego at the door, chump. You are just another enabler, one of far too many. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/933 "2026-01-30T20:04:18Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > The electoral process is a bit like the Consitution or a Court Order—it’s not something that just magically happens. It happens because people agree that it should be done and then people sit down and do it. If enough people don’t agree that it should be done, despite past custom and procedure, and / or don’t actually do it, it doesn’t happen. Alright, so who in a position to do something about it is currently arguing that elections shouldn’t happen? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/934 "2026-01-30T20:05:49Z")
Nobody. Literally nobody. As has been said repeatedly, elections happen in all sorts of totalitarian states, with the despot routinely garning above 90%. Of course elections will happen. As far as _free and fair_ elections, how about all of the people agitating against mail-in voting? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/935 "2026-01-30T20:07:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Neither of them have any power over the electoral process. What makes you think Brian Kemp is suddenly going to decide he wants to break the law to help Trump when he refused to in 2020? I think the question next time won’t be whether Brian Kemp et al will refuse to break the law, but whether the troops ordered to shoot them for doing so will obey those orders. There is no useful historical precedent that we can extrapolate from. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/936 "2026-01-30T20:25:26Z")
Several murderers seem to have come to exactly that conclusion in the past few weeks. Are you new? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/937 "2026-01-30T20:28:53Z")
I think the standard answer to your tired and repetitive “I t didn’t happen this time or that time, so what makes you think it will happen this time?” should be: Different people, different circumstances, different politics, different judicial system, and people saying “Don’t get in the way because there is nothing to worry about.” ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/938 "2026-01-30T20:39:30Z")
> [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > Minneapolis schools betray kids to feed ICE hysteria In my area, students at local high school are doing a walkout so the teachers are stopping classes two hours early and putting on a movie for the kids that aren’t involved in the walkout. The comments I saw on the facebook post about it are identical to the ones in that article. FB “This is nothing more than an anti-American political stunt.” NYT " this is just performative politics" FB "they are not doing their jobs well and now in order to support some foolish protest instead of teaching they will take the afternoon off. " NYT “teacher unions are always looking for excuses for their members to slough off work” I could keep going but I don’t want to read any more of the comments. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/939 "2026-01-30T20:47:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > people saying “Don’t get in the way because there is nothing to worry about.” Good thing I’ve never said any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/940 "2026-01-30T21:14:18Z")
Mine too. I’m so proud of them! Hysteria naysayers be damned! (FYI – New York Post, not NYT) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/941 "2026-01-30T21:14:47Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > The electoral process is a bit like the Consitution or a Court Order—it’s not something that just magically happens. It happens because people agree that it should be done and then people sit down and do it. If enough people don’t agree that it should be done, despite past custom and procedure, and / or don’t actually do it, it doesn’t happen. This post is astounding because it shows that you _almost_ get it but then you come to a completely ridiculous conclusion. I don’t think _you_ understand how power works. If Trump manages to “game” the electoral system through some patently transparent means like the false slate of electors scheme, then he _has corrupted the process_ to the point where the process declaring him president _does not actually grant him any legitimacy_. Being president doesn’t give you the magical power to control the actions of US citizens. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > In this scenario, what I think is most likely is that it happens badly, to the degree that both sides will declare victory, and then they’ve achieved the twin aims of destroying confidence in elections, and not outright losing said elections. As they are the party in power, the victory would be more likely to go to their team. If both sides “declare victory” then democracy is over and whoever gains the loyalty of the biggest army wins. There’s no “not outright losing said election”, there’s “tossing the entire electoral system in the trash can, pouring in a gallon of gasoline, and then dropping a match in there”. I think the far more likely outcome in that scenario is that rather than following Trump into what could only be a civil war, most of his enablers in Congress abandon him. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I think the question next time won’t be whether Brian Kemp et al will refuse to break the law, but whether the troops ordered to shoot them for doing so will obey those orders. Again, what does that accomplish for Trump? He has Brian Kemp and co executed and then rigs the election? What’s the purpose of winning an election whose legitimacy you’ve completely thrashed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=48)