# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1282 "2026-02-10T04:28:59Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > > Quote the post where I said that you lying mother fucker. > > I could just repost the list of quotes. You could then say they don’t count again. And you could swear at me some more. > > But really I don’t feel I’m needed in this process. Just go back and re-read the list I posted last time and then you can do your thing. Use the boards software to post the quote of me saying it or you’re a liar. Not a list of quotes where my name does not occur because I NEVER SAID THAT. And I could swear at you some more? Your lying ass picked the one place where that’s totally allowed. Deal with it you shit eating pinhead. You want to be the gatekeeper of the Trump opposition but no one is listening to your sorry asshole’s trickles. Go vote Republican because you have some problem with some position of the opposition that you don’t hold. No one cares. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1283 "2026-02-10T04:48:48Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > But there was a real difference between the Russia and the Nazis, they had different motives and goals. I don’t actually think there’s any light between modern Nazis and modern Klan in the US. It’s the same people with the same goals and the same motives. It’s mostly the same people, to even. And I get accused of moving the goalposts. We weren’t talking about modern Nazis and modern Klan in the US. We were clearly and specifically talking about World War II. You know that time when the real Nazis were around? And they were in the process of killing twelve million people? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1284 "2026-02-10T04:53:24Z")
@Smapti: wildly off topic for this thread. I was pointing out that we shouldn’t work with Nazis who are right here in the country we’re supposedly trying to protect; which is why the situations aren’t remotely comparable. And if the Democrats were working with the Nazis, why in hell would anybody opposing Nazis vote for Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1285 "2026-02-10T05:09:29Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > wildly off topic for this thread. You’re the one who decided to compare Americans today to postwar Hungary. That was on topic, but me asking you to defend the ramifications of your comparison isn’t? > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > was pointing out that we shouldn’t work with Nazis who are right here in the country we’re supposedly trying to protect; Nobody in this thread is saying we should work with Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1286 "2026-02-10T07:42:24Z")
That was an excellent essay. The writer described much of what I found so frustrating about the OP. I could identify the implied misogyny, and the gendered language was obvious, but I couldn’t put my finger on exactly what and why it was being used in this particular fashion for this particular issue. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1287 "2026-02-10T07:56:05Z")
Opinions should be based on facts using critical thinking skills. Banquet Bear just provided you with facts that should at least make you re-examine your views on how israel’s actions affect US politics. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1288 "2026-02-10T15:21:53Z")
Okay, Sylvanz, let’s work with your hypothesis. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that was you’ve said is true. Let’s say my use of the word hysterical indicates that I’m a misogynist. And let’s say that my disagreement with Banquet Bear indicates that I’m an isolationist. But, as I’ve said, I’m planning on voting against Trump. Are you willing to accept my vote against Trump or do you feel I need to renounce my evil ways before I’m good enough to vote for Trump? In other words, are you willing to ally with a misogynist isolationist in the cause of opposing Trump? Let’s go further, let’s say that despite all of the evidence in this thread, I’m really touchy about my personal feelings. And my feelings have been hurt by all of the abuse that’s been directed at me. So I announce that while I plan of voting against Trump, I won’t do so unless people here apologize to me for calling me names. How would you respond? Would you tell people to apologize to me, regardless of how they actually feel, because a vote against Trump is important? Or would you tell people not to apologize because their right to swear at me is more important than the cause of defeating Trump? In other words, which do you feel is a higher priority; getting votes against Trump or expressing your feelings against people you disagree with? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1289 "2026-02-10T15:35:48Z")
Demanding an apology by threatening to withold something? Not playing that game. I’d happily apologize for hurting feelings, as I always regret it when my words or actions lead to that outcome, but not as part of a demand. I don’t need my allies to be morally pure, but I also don’t need to ally with monsters. Winning is important, but if you need the Klan and their ilk to win the vote, you’ve already lost. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1290 "2026-02-10T15:49:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nobody in this thread is saying we should work with Nazis. No. They were saying we should work with the Klan; and giving the USA-Stalin agreement as an example. I was pointing out why it’s not a relevant example. Going off from that into discussing what various people should or should not have done in WWII would also not be relevant. If you think the Klan is essentially better than or for most purposes readily distinguishable from the Nazis, I think you’re wrong. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s go further, let’s say that despite all of the evidence in this thread, I’m really touchy about my personal feelings. And my feelings have been hurt by all of the abuse that’s been directed at me. So I announce that while I plan of voting against Trump, I won’t do so unless people here apologize to me for calling me names. I would conclude at that point that you probably weren’t going to vote against Trump whatever we did here; because somebody else would be bound to hurt your feelings, and because if you thought that the election should be decided by whether your feelings got hurt on a message board you were never a reliable anti Trump voter to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1291 "2026-02-10T16:24:16Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > if you thought that the election should be decided by whether your feelings got hurt on a message board you were never a reliable anti Trump voter to begin with. If you change your mind about something as important as who you’re going to vote for, based on hurt feelings, it sounds exactly like a Trump voter. Using your power (to vote) to punish someone, even/especially if it means voting for someone you otherwise wouldn’t vote for, is exactly something Trump would do. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1292 "2026-02-10T16:39:37Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I would conclude at that point that you probably weren’t going to vote against Trump whatever we did here; because somebody else would be bound to hurt your feelings, and because if you thought that the election should be decided by whether your feelings got hurt on a message board you were never a reliable anti Trump voter to begin with. So you’re saying that asserting your personal beliefs is more important than getting Trump out of office. Therefore you wouldn’t apologize to a person saying that their personal feelings are more important than getting Trump out of office. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1293 "2026-02-10T16:44:00Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > If you think the Klan is essentially better than or for most purposes readily distinguishable from the Nazis, I think you’re wrong. The Klan is not morally better than the Nazis. But we’re talking about World War II. The Nazis had political power and were able to carry out their evil in a way that Klan could not. So the Nazis were worse than the Klan during World War II. Removing the Nazis from political power and eliminating their ability to act on their plans was the primary goal during World War II. And my position is that removing Trump and the Republicans from political power and eliminating their ability to act on their plans is the primary goal now. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1294 "2026-02-10T16:51:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Therefore you wouldn’t apologize to a person saying that their personal feelings are more important than getting Trump out of office. This is what overly dramatic teens do. This is ‘if you break up with me, I’ll kill myself and it’ll be your fault’. Your vote isn’t, or shouldn’t be, dependent on whether or not someone apologizes to you. Your vote is your decision and your decision only. Basing your vote on whether or not someone apologizes to you is either you looking for an excuse to vote the way you were going to anyway, or just being manipulative. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1295 "2026-02-10T17:50:03Z")
Seriously? 🙄 You evaded my comment completely and went on yet another strawman hunting expedition. Yes, I do think you are both a misogynist and pretty meh about the crap trump and the US government are and have been doing in other countries. My “personal feelings” have nothing to do with how I’ve navigated my opinion on Israel or any other issue. I’ve looked at the facts and made my decisions based on said facts. I have strong “feelings” about the atrocities that the US has been party to, but that came after the decision. My feelings aren’t hurt by your constant mansplaining to all of us. I’m starting to lean toward troll as you refuse to answer direct questions and make up shit about what others are saying so you can preen and pat yourself on the back for how right and “logical” 🙄 🙄 You are. I’d be really angry, but your show just isn’t enough to make me angry. Plus you’d probably think I was being “hysterical” “emothional” and wonder if it was from hormones. I just get disgusted and dispirited by people like you. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1296 "2026-02-10T18:43:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s go further, let’s say that despite all of the evidence in this thread, I’m really touchy about my personal feelings. And my feelings have been hurt by all of the abuse that’s been directed at me. So I announce that while I plan of voting against Trump, I won’t do so unless people here apologize to me for calling me names. I would assume you are lying. First, you haven’t gotten much actual “abuse”, mostly you’ve gotten disagreement. And i can’t very well apologize for someone else calling you names. Second, i don’t generally endorse calling anyone names. But i observe that you started it in this thread by calling a lot of Trump opponents “hysterical”. If you believe that it’s a good first step to apologize to people you’ve insulted, i suggest you consider going first. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1297 "2026-02-10T18:47:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’m not yelling at the trans-hating-asshole because “they are voting for my candidate for the wrong reason.” I’m yelling at the trans-hating-asshole because they are a _trans-hating-asshole_. Nowhere in that scenario is the other person identified as a trans-hating-asshole. You added that. There was no reason to presume the other person holds any reprehensible views. What made you presume otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1298 "2026-02-10T19:10:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that was you’ve said is true. Let’s say my use of the word hysterical indicates that I’m a misogynist. For the record, it does. Not just your use of the word, but the way you are digging in with it. And I suspect this offends you, because I doubt very much that you are _intentionally_ misogynistic. But you have grown up in a deeply misogynistic society. One where rich famous people have been trafficking young women for decades with barely any pushback. I’ve always known this society hated women, but the depth of it that has come out with the Epstein files is showing me that I still underestimated it. I’ve been there, too, because I have grown up in the same society. Even as a women, I have had to reflect on a lot of things I’ve done or said over the years that perpetuated harm towards women. Once again, you started this thread. People aren’t just picking on you. You chose to use inflammatory language in your quest to get people to use less inflammatory language, and you doubled down on it, showing how much of a mug’s game it was in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1299 "2026-02-10T23:19:10Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Nowhere in that scenario is the other person identified as a trans-hating-asshole. You added that. …why would I be randomly yelling at someone "for voting for my candidate for what I think is the “wrong reason”??? That _isn’t a thing that happens_. It’s a strawman argument. I doubt you could find a single example here in the pit of that happening. I doubt you will find any examples out in the real world. Not enough to be significant. What actually happens is people get yelled at because they _hold reprehensible views_. Who they say they plan to vote for is _entirely_ incidental. I don’t care if the trans-hating-asshole says they plan on voting for or against Trump. They are still a _trans-hating-asshole_. I don’t entertain ridiculous scenarios. But that is what Little\_Nemo and now you are asking us to do. > [@sciurophobic](#): > > There was no reason to presume the other person holds any reprehensible views. What made you presume otherwise? Because _I’m yelling at them_. If it ever gets to the point where I’m yelling at someone its because they hold reprehensible views: they are either racist, or sexist, or a trans-hating-asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2026, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1300 "2026-02-10T23:40:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And let’s say that my disagreement with Banquet Bear indicates that I’m an isolationist. …I don’t think of you as an isolationist. Not in the _slightest_. If you were an isolationist, the idea that the President of the United States of America is now basically in charge of the future of Palestinians in Gaza would make you _livid_. And the idea that the President’s son in law, an unelected _nobody_, is the person who is actually making all of the decisions on the future of Gaza would make you want to riot. If you were an isolationist, the fact that America keeps giving Israel billions of dollars would be your number one issue. You wouldn’t stand for it. No you aren’t an isolationist. What you are saying here is something far, far worse. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My position on Palestine is that it’s an issue that mainly involves Palestinians and Israelis and I don’t see it as very central in American politics. What it says is that you _know_ all of the things I’ve listed. You _just don’t care_. The world has a history of dehumanising groups of people, whether it is by race or religion or belief or even the colour of their skin. I used to wonder how people could just sit by and allow the Holocaust to happen. But now I’m seeing it with my own eyes. You see Palestinians as somewhat less than human. So you are able to turn a blind eye to the genocide that is being funded by your tax-payer dollars. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1301 "2026-02-11T01:00:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So you’re saying that asserting your personal beliefs is more important than getting Trump out of office. No, I’m saying that anybody making the sort of statement you’re making is just jerking me around and almost certainly isn’t going to vote against Trump whatever I do. Why should I try to appease them instead of trying to encourage people immediately endangered to show up and vote — especially when apologizing to the obvious bigot (which is what’s generally being discussed in this thread) is likely instead to indicate to all the immediately endangered people that the Democrats can’t be trusted either? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And my position is that removing Trump and the Republicans from political power and eliminating their ability to act on their plans is the primary goal now. And I’m saying that here and now with the bigots in question right here in the country with us and trying to take it over trying to ally with them is not a way to prevent that exact takeover. No, we are not talking about WWII. It rhymes, but it doesn’t echo. That aspect of WWII is entirely irrelevant to the current situation. > [@sciurophobic](#): > > Nowhere in that scenario is the other person identified as a trans-hating-asshole. The trans-hating asshole came into the discussion here: > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > if I met a trans-hating asshole who said he was going to vote against the Republicans because he didn’t like the way Trump was ignoring the Second Amendment, I’d shake that asshole’s hand and tell him he’s doing the right thing. Because getting people to vote against the Republicans is more important than me winning an argument with an asshole. — an opinion on which I’ve already stated my own opinion in this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=66)