# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1322 "2026-02-11T17:33:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump and the Republicans are the ones who are promoting discrimination and they want more of it. Bill Clinton was not a Republican. He’s the one that threw me under the bus, though I recognize that this was in order to compromise with Republicans. Politics makes strange bedfellows, but if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1323 "2026-02-11T17:34:57Z")
> [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > It has everything to do with him. He can run his false flag operation because Gavin Newsom has been throwing trans and unhoused folks under the bus, and palling around with fascists on his radio show. Then **say that up front** , rather than making a deceptive, context-lacking post. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1324 "2026-02-11T17:37:25Z")
Sorry you are mad about the way I posted, but we cleared it up quickly in conversation, so I think it’s fine. It’s hard to guess ahead of time what all the objections will be, and if I include them all in one post, it will get skipped over for being too long. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1325 "2026-02-11T17:39:57Z")
> [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > It’s hard to guess ahead of time what all the objections will be, and if I include them all in one post, it will get skipped over for being too long. Adding that important context up front about Langford’s “Democratic” candidacy – and why you think it’s a sign of the Democratic Party’s issues – would have added a couple of sentences, at most. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1326 "2026-02-11T17:44:07Z")
It would. So would context about Gallego, because even though I mentioned it in this thread before, I can’t be sure people read it. At some point, it has to go into the ether. But feedback noted. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2026, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1327 "2026-02-11T23:06:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump and the Republicans are the ones who are promoting discrimination and they want more of it. …except it _isn’t_ just Trump and the Republicans. It’s also the trans-hating-assholes who are voting against Trump that you are shaking hands with. There are Democrats and independents who are also trans-hating assholes. Who are misogynists. Who are racist. Who support the genocide in Gaza. They promote discrimination. And they want more of it. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Which is why I feel getting them out of power is so important. There is absolutely zero empirical evidence that “shaking hands” with trans-hating-assholes will do anything to get Trump & Co out of power. We can even test this. How many trans-hating-assholes have you knowingly shaken hands with in the last week? In the last month? How much “reaching across the aisle” are you actually doing? If you aren’t actually doing this to any degree that matters, and nobody else is either, then this isn’t actually a viable strategy, nor is it a pathway to victory. But you must know that. You aren’t stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2026, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1328 "2026-02-12T02:45:44Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > What’s more important defeating the Republicans or not murdering Jews? If the Republicans are murdering Jews, then defeating the Republicans is stopping the murders. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2026, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1329 "2026-02-12T02:49:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If the Republicans are murdering Jews, then defeating the Republicans is stopping the murders. Claims that Republicans even want to murder Jews are nothing but anti-Republican hysteria despite any evidence to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2026, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1330 "2026-02-12T03:30:34Z")
> [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > My Senator, Ruben Gallego (D), is promoting discrimination and wants more of it, too. > > [Kyle Langford](https://ballotpedia.org/Kyle_Langford) is running in California as a Democrat, and [once posed in front of Auschwitz and posted it with the caption ‘My 0% Unemployment Plan.’](https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/07/fact-check-kyle-langford-auschwitz-nazi-concentration-camp-unemployment-california.html) > > It would be wonderful if the Democrats could be trusted to effectively oppose what the Republicans are doing, but I do not trust them to do that without a lot of public pressure, which comes from the sort of people you are trying to discourage. I’ve said my goal is to get Trump and the Republicans out of power. I feel the Democrats are the ones most strongly motivated to do this. That said, if there are any Democrats who aren’t on board with impeaching Trump and removing him from office, we should vote them out of office as well. I want to see the impeachment of Donald Trump as the primary issue of this year’s election. I want there to be public pressure on every candidate. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > If the Republicans are murdering Jews, then defeating the Republicans is stopping the murders. > > Claims that Republicans even want to murder Jews are nothing but anti-Republican hysteria despite any evidence to the contrary. If the Republicans are not murdering the Jews, then defeating the Republicans is stopping them from committing the other crimes they are committing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1331 "2026-02-13T04:45:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There is absolutely zero empirical evidence that “shaking hands” with trans-hating-assholes will do anything to get Trump & Co out of power. This. @Little_Nemo’s sanctimonious finger-wagging about conciliation of potential allies is self-congratulatory preening that accomplishes zilch from a practical point of view. To the extent that _”when someone tells you they’re voting against Trump, don’t gratuitously go off-message to insult those fellow anti-Trump voters to their faces about other issues on which you disagree with them”_ is valid practical advice, **it’s advice that everybody here is already following.** To the extent that @Little_Nemo is advocating for various bigot-courting techniques that other posters in this thread do **not** support, **there is no real-world indication whatsoever that what he’s advocating would have any valid practical effect in actually removing Trumpists from power.** The assertion that it would is just something that @Little_Nemo made up so that he could pretend that he’s somehow accomplishing more concrete results in the anti-Trumpist struggle than the people whose rhetoric strikes him as “hysterical” and “over the top”. This pretense, natch, is completely unsubstantiated by evidence. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1332 "2026-02-13T15:02:30Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > To the extent that @Little_Nemo is advocating for various bigot-courting techniques that other posters in this thread do **not** support, **there is no real-world indication whatsoever that what he’s advocating would have any valid practical effect in actually removing Trumpists from power.** Not only that, but it seems to me very likely to do exactly the reverse. Because it reads to me that they’re saying that we should tell everybody protesting this administration on the grounds of the rights of trans people, and/or gay people, and/or immigrants, and/or anybody who looks to ICE as if they might be an immigrant, and/or of Jews or Muslims or Palestinians or Native Americans or Greenlanders, and/or in opposition to an imperial USA, and/or about environmental issues, and I’ve probably left something out — that we should tell all those people to shut up on the subjects, because insisting on mentioning them might piss off the bigots. That wouldn’t get Trump and his assorted backers out of power. That would only work to destroy the movement that stands any chance of doing so. In our diversity actually is our strength. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1333 "2026-02-13T15:07:21Z")
Yeah, @Little_Nemo’s whole thread here is basically a glass house built to throw stones from. _“Now I shall berate you fellow Trump opponents about your other views that I disagree with, to convince you that berating fellow Trump opponents about their other views that you disagree with is counterproductive.”_ ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1334 "2026-02-13T15:15:59Z")
Nicely put! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1335 "2026-02-13T16:14:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > To the extent that _”when someone tells you they’re voting against Trump, don’t gratuitously go off-message to insult those fellow anti-Trump voters to their faces about other issues on which you disagree with them”_ is valid practical advice, **it’s advice that everybody here is already following.** And yet when I started a thread to say this, I got a number of people saying they disagree with me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1336 "2026-02-13T16:23:35Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Because it reads to me that they’re saying that we should tell everybody protesting this administration on the grounds of the rights of trans people, and/or gay people, and/or immigrants, and/or anybody who looks to ICE as if they might be an immigrant, and/or of Jews or Muslims or Palestinians or Native Americans or Greenlanders, and/or in opposition to an imperial USA, and/or about environmental issues, and I’ve probably left something out — that we should tell all those people to shut up on the subjects, because insisting on mentioning them might piss off the bigots. > > That wouldn’t get Trump and his assorted backers out of power. That would only work to destroy the movement that stands any chance of doing so. In our diversity actually is our strength. “In our diversity actually is our strength.” This is the key point. We in the anti-Trump opposition need to recognize diversity. So it’s great when people are out protesting against the Trump administration - as long as they’re planning on voting against Trump and the Republicans. But it’s also acceptable when people aren’t protesting against the Trump administration - as long as they’re planning on voting against Trump and the Republicans. My point is that we shouldn’t be dividing up people based on whether they protest or not. The important division is whether or not they are going to vote against Trump and the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1337 "2026-02-13T17:55:03Z")
As soon as someone says that they’re voting against the America-hating fuckstick, you STOP ASKING QUESTIONS! Especially “Why?” ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1338 "2026-02-13T19:20:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My point is that we shouldn’t be dividing up people based on whether they protest or not. Nobody’s said that we should. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1339 "2026-02-13T19:30:21Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > As soon as someone says that they’re voting against the America-hating fuckstick, you STOP ASKING QUESTIONS! Especially “Why?” I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Are you expressing your own principle of how you do things? Or are you paraphrasing what you think I’m saying? If it’s the latter, I disagree. I have no problem with discussing the reason why somebody else is voting against Trump and the Republicans. There are many good reasons to vote against Trump and the Republicans. I’ve just been saying you shouldn’t berate people who are voting against Trump and the Republicans and tell them they’re voting against Trump and the Republicans for the wrong reason. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1340 "2026-02-13T19:33:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’ve just been saying you shouldn’t berate people who are voting against Trump and the Republicans and tell them they’re voting against Trump and the Republicans for the wrong reason. As you did in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1341 "2026-02-13T19:38:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yeah, @Little_Nemo’s whole thread here is basically a glass house built to throw stones from. _“Now I shall berate you fellow Trump opponents about your other views that I disagree with, to convince you that berating fellow Trump opponents about their other views that you disagree with is counterproductive.”_ I don’t feel I’ve done that. One person here has said they are voting against Trump and the Republicans because they feel they are supporting Palestinian genocide. I’m fine with that as a reason to vote against Trump and the Republicans. One person here has said they are voting against Trump and the Republicans because they are persecuting trans people. I’m fine with that as a reason to vote against Trump and the Republicans. One person here has said they are voting against Trump and the Republicans because they expect Trump to start a war with Mexico. I’m fine with that as a reason to vote against Trump and the Republicans. One person here has said they are voting against Trump and the Republicans because they expect Trump to feeding Hispanic people to alligators. I’m fine with that as a reason to vote against Trump and the Republicans. I’m not saying there are right reasons and wrong reasons. I’m okay with any reason that causes a person to decide to vote against Trump and the Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=68)