# I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735 "2025-08-05T18:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1842 "2026-04-26T12:29:42Z")
That doesn’t answer the question. Are you afraid to answer this question? Once again, if Hamas members insert a foreign object into an Israeli child’s anus or vagina, you don’t think that should be considered rape? Do you believe the Israeli soldiers who committed this action are as “deserving of death” as Hamas members? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1843 "2026-04-26T12:31:38Z")
I don’t think the Israeli criminal code is the way to address acts of war committed by terrorists bent on Israel’s destruction. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1844 "2026-04-26T12:31:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But all you are doing is confirming my worst fears. America is fucked. You just _don’t care_. You are more angry at a statistical handful of voters than you are with your leaders who are responsible for pain, death and misery. I think this it, or at least a lot of the Americans on the Dope just don’t care. Despite all its posturing, this is a pretty conservative place. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1845 "2026-04-26T12:32:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t think the Israeli criminal code is the way to address acts of war committed by terrorists bent on Israel’s destruction. It really seems like you’re afraid to answer this question. Once again, if Hamas members insert a foreign object into an Israeli child’s anus or vagina, do you think that should be considered rape? Note that rape isn’t just a crime in Israeli criminal code. It can also be a war crime. This shouldn’t be a hard question. Do you believe the Israeli criminal code is the way to address Israeli soldiers who forcefully insert objects into a prisoner’s rectum that cause severe injuries? Do you support the dropping of prosecution for this action? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1846 "2026-04-26T12:36:11Z")
I think the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war is abhorrent. I do not think that the failure to prosecute such means that Israel does not still have the moral high ground in this conflict. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1847 "2026-04-26T12:39:34Z")
I didn’t ask you about the moral high ground. Do you support or oppose the failure to prosecute? Do you believe this increases the likelihood there might be other atrocities without video evidence that may have been covered up by the IDF? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1848 "2026-04-26T12:41:56Z")
Per your cite, the prosecution was dropped because the alleged victim has fled the country and media publicity has made a fair trial impossible. It doesn’t sound like prosecution is even feasible. Whether “there might be other atrocities without video evidence” is an issue that can be addressed after Hamas has been defeated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1849 "2026-04-26T13:01:08Z")
That’s not remotely credible. There have been many, many successful prosecutions for incidents with much less evidence, and just as much publicity, as compared to this one. That’s bullshit propaganda. It was dropped because the Israeli far right rules the country and is fine with raping Palestinian prisoners. But by this post, it appears you support dropping the prosecution. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1850 "2026-04-26T13:13:05Z")
Remember folks, the people that didn’t want Trump elected are the real enemy of Gaza, not Smapti and his ilk. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1851 "2026-04-26T13:17:50Z")
…the “real enemy of Gaza” are the people who were _complicit_ in their genocide, which includes both Biden and Trump and their respective administrations. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1852 "2026-04-26T13:22:54Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > which includes Ya know, _Netanyahu_ has less letters than _which includes_, just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1853 "2026-04-26T13:28:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Ya know, _Netanyahu_ has less letters than _which includes_, just sayin’. …and I’ve got hundreds of posts about Netanyahu that you can go and read if you like. This thread is about the United States of America. And Netanyahu isn’t on the ballot. Its going to be a choice of either the Democrats or the Republicans. I want the Democrats to win and I’m DESPERATE for you lot to not make the same mistakes you did before. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1854 "2026-04-26T13:32:37Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This thread is about the United States of America. And Netanyahu isn’t on the ballot. Biden wasn’t on the ballot either, but here we are. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1855 "2026-04-26T13:34:37Z")
The best way to fix the Democratic party on Gaza and Israel is to nominate and elect candidates that oppose Israeli actions in Gaza. If we get a decent nominee for president in '28, and that candidate wins, then the party will be almost certainly fixed (at least for that cycle) - a new Democratic president will almost certainly have a Democratic congress that will go along with the president’s priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1856 "2026-04-26T13:35:06Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Biden wasn’t on the ballot either, but here we are. …Biden was complicit in genocide. Harris pledged to continue his policies. That was what the voters had to go on. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The best way to fix the Democratic party on Gaza and Israel is to nominate and elect candidates that oppose Israeli actions in Gaza. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1857 "2026-04-26T13:40:34Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > That was what the voters had to go on. Yeah, I mean who could have possibly guessed that Trump would be even worse than Harris for the fucking country and for the goddamned planet let alone for the Palestinians. Or maybe you think Harris would be threatening genocide in Iran too. But don’t let me stop you from giving cover to the folks that put this shit show in what’s left of the Whitehouse. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1858 "2026-04-26T13:44:34Z")
The question was not “was it understandable.” You claimed we could not blame them. If you intent is not to defend them, then don’t. I already told you that I don’t disagree that we have to give these people someone to vote for. And I deliberately said that these people are not primarily to blame. Since we are not in the general election right now, I have repeatedly defended those who want to put up ultimatums like you propose. Now is the time to try and shape what the Democratic Party should be. I do not lie. You can believe I was mistaken, but I followed Beau of the Fifth Column, a progressive anarchist newsman, throughout the election. He was as much against the genocide as anyone. But he also pointed out the good moves Biden did, rather than only the bad ones. I do think those who couldn’t vote for Harris messed up. Those who voted for Trump, though, I do not believe actually cared about this issue. If the Gazan genocide was your single issue, the least you would do is look up the position of both candidates. If you voted for Trump, you inherently said that you were okay voting for someone who supported the Gazan genocide. It’s pretty clear that antisemites took advantage of the situation, getting progressives to support antisemitism and even attack Jewish people. And I am convinced that there were Trumpers who realized it was hurting Biden more and fanned the flames. Just because someone claims to be against the genocide doesn’t mean they were. And as a majority of Americans agree it is a genocide, even more of them are against Israel, and everyone here save for maybe two posters agree, a lot of your post seems weird to me. I already agree with you on what needs to be done. Continuing to try and defend the voters who wouldn’t vote for Harris, let alone those who actually voted for Trump, will not help. Biden and Harris were better on this topic. And those who refused to vote for the latter share some of the blame for what happened under Trump. If they can’t acknowledge this, then, well, I don’t hold out much hope for things changing. Because even if we get things right on the Gaza issue, there will be another one. There always is. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1859 "2026-04-26T13:51:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Are these people just stupid? Yes. Just like you. > [@Sylvanz](#): > > I swore I wasn’t going to do this, but I sort of hate it being implied that I’m slack jawed and ignorant. russia has convinced me of nothing. > > The _deliberate_ targeting of civilians is not, “collateral” damage Then you probably shouldn’t show off how thoroughly Russian propaganda has indeed convinced you of nonsense. There has been no deliberate targeting of civilians. Well, from the _IDF_; obviously the various Palestinians militant groups and their Iranian and Iranian backed allies almost exclusively target civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1860 "2026-04-26T13:53:04Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > You keep believing that if it makes it easier to sleep at night. I prefer to live on earth 1. They have been deliberately targeting civilians for a long time. Is there any _evidence_ for these wild claims you’re making on Earth 1? Of course not. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1861 "2026-04-26T13:54:34Z")
Yes. There are far far too many dead journalists for that to have been anything but intentional. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735.md?page=94)