# I pit people who hate metal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944 "2011-06-01T10:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/21 "2011-06-01T12:41:32Z")
> [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > Why can’t they spell “of”? Polish. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/22 "2011-06-01T12:49:09Z")
They don’t sound very polished. ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/23 "2011-06-01T12:54:13Z")
> [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > Why can’t they spell “of”? And seriously, if you’re going to go that spelling route, why not go all the way and spell it uv ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/24 "2011-06-01T12:55:56Z")
This thread is a whoosh. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/25 "2011-06-01T13:32:44Z")
Metel doesn’t use Autotune. That alone makes it better then most things on the radio today. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/26 "2011-06-01T13:34:25Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > All this deserves in response is “no they’re not”. Yes they are. > [@](#): > > Quite true. False. **FFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSEEEEEEE!!!1111** ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/27 "2011-06-01T13:38:27Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Metel doesn’t use Autotune. That alone makes it better then most things on the radio today. No it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/28 "2011-06-01T13:45:15Z")
Behemoth rules. Metal rules. I’m very popular with the ladies. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/29 "2011-06-01T13:48:51Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > They don’t sound very polished. Bravo, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/30 "2011-06-01T13:50:11Z")
I’d never heard Behemoth until I followed the OP’s links. I must say that they didn’t really impress me and I love metal music. I’m more a fan of Lamb of God and Killswitch Engage. But, to each his own. I know that 90% of any genre is going to be crap IMHO but somebody, somewhere is going to like it. That’s why I don’t try to justify what I like to other people. If it isn’t for you then cool. We can agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/31 "2011-06-01T13:50:50Z")
It reminds me of John Redcorn’s band Big Mount Fudgecake from _King of the Hill_. “There’s a hole in my pocket where money should go!There’s a hole in my heart where you used to go! There’s a hole! There’s a hole! Big ol’ hole!” ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/32 "2011-06-01T14:08:52Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > False. **FFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSEEEEEEE!!!1111** [15-year-old me]Death to false metal!![/15-yom] ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/33 "2011-06-01T14:36:49Z")
[QUOTE=Budget Player Cadet’s Friend] 2) The “The vocalist is just screaming… screaming takes no talent” argument This point is wrong, for many reasons. For one, screaming in metal serves a purpose: metal is not a genre that is based around creating short, catchy songs one can dance to, like many other genres out there. Metal is a genre that focuses on creating a specific mood, a specific atmosphere, and holding that for a whole album. And that’s where harsh vocals (also called guttural or screamed vocals) come in. Screamed vocals are meant to further the harsh atmosphere of a metal album. Anyone can scream, sure, but in order to produce a convincing black metal shriek or death metal growl, it takes a lot of straining and control over one’s voice, lest the singing come out sounding wheezed, forced, and lacking in emotion. [/QUOTE] There are some issues I take with the points made in this one. 1. Screaming a song is definitely harder work than what is mentioned here. It’s not just about breath control but also about placement of the mouth et al in a way that doesn’t temporarily and permanently wreck the instrument. The singer should have additional training on their voice unless they want a short career. 2. There should be no straining when produces those notes. See point 1. 3. “Metal is a genre that focuses on creating a specific mood…” ALL genres do that. Music is about mood. Anything from the somber “Adagio for Strings” to the “Beer Barrel Polka” or “Tik Tok”. They all have their moods. Metal ain’t special there. That all said, metal just ain’t my cuppa. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/34 "2011-06-01T14:44:21Z")
It’s going to be a long summer. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/35 "2011-06-01T14:45:25Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s going to be a long summer. But darling I promise you this… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/36 "2011-06-01T14:47:04Z")
SWAK! But in a most masculine manner. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/37 "2011-06-01T14:48:26Z")
Well, I only like metal that has more melody in its screaming. I have no problem saying screaming takes talent, but I like melody. I also don’t think the talents are too similar. And Auto-Tune metal screaming sounds like an awesome idea. Maybe it wouldn’t sound great, but it’d be fun to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/38 "2011-06-01T14:48:53Z")
I respect metal musicianship immensely. Those guys are typically extremely good at their instruments. Some of them rival the best classical musicians on the planet. Hell, some of them ARE classical musicians. But the fact is that no metal band has ever done anything that Black Sabbath didn’t do first, and better. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/39 "2011-06-01T14:50:16Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I respect metal musicianship immensely. Those guys are typically extremely good at their instruments. Some of them rival the best classical musicians on the planet. Hell, some of them ARE classical musicians. > > But the fact is that no metal band has ever done anything that Black Sabbath didn’t do first, and better. 😛 Yeah! Like when they rhymed “masses” with " masses". Awesome stuff there. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/40 "2011-06-01T14:50:22Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > . > > But the fact is that no metal band has ever done anything that Black Sabbath didn’t do first, and better. 😛 Don’t be so Paranoid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=3)