# I pit people who hate metal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944 "2011-06-01T10:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/41 "2011-06-01T14:52:33Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > SWAK! > > But in a most masculine manner. šŸ˜ƒ Gosh, I am getting slow. I just caught the SWAK šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/42 "2011-06-01T14:53:36Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > Gosh, I am getting slow. I just caught the SWAK šŸ˜ƒ Is that like the clap? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/43 "2011-06-01T14:54:34Z")
> [@Bambro](#): > > Yeah! Like when they rhymed ā€œmassesā€ with " masses". Awesome stuff there. šŸ˜ƒ Itā€™s ingenous wordsmithing compared to most metal lyrics. Seriously, look at the OP! ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/44 "2011-06-01T14:55:16Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Is that like the clap? Not nearly as much fun catching. Just ask the Wolfman. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/45 "2011-06-01T15:06:10Z")
Metal makes my ears hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/46 "2011-06-01T15:09:37Z")
The other thing that concerns me about metal, in all seriousness, is that it seems to have been taken just about as far as it can be taken. Heck, that happened 20 years ago. Itā€™s almost like this musical dead end now, that just kind of wallows in silly lyrics and formulaic music. Metal used to be dangerous. I remember listening to Slayerā€™s _South of Heaven_ when I was a kid at Boy Scout camp. It was almost frightening. Extremely attractive, but dangerous. And boy, how the parents hated it. I know the metalheads and the punks hated each other back then, and I was a punk, but there was something about the raw aggression of metal that even I found very attractive. But as time went on, it just never went anywhere. Galloping rhythm guitar? Check. Aggressive vocals? De rigueur. Blast drumming? Of course. Cheesy lyrics? Yup. I mean, sure, you had the explosion of metal subgenres. There was death metal. Black metal. Industrial metal. Hair metal (not metal at all, but whatever). Doom. Gothic. Power. Speed. Thrash. Yadda yadda yadda. All those just always seemed like everyone was waiting around, seeing if SOMEONE could do something different with it, and make it transcend. And really, nobody ever did. It seemed like everybody took some aspect of a Black Sabbath song they liked (ā€œOoooh, I dig the gallop!ā€, ā€œThe doomy sludge feel of this is great!ā€) and explored it to the absolute nth degree, but ultimately, there wasnā€™t any place else to go. Itā€™ll always have its place as an outlet for those adolescent rage and rebel feelings, but it just feels like a musical backwater now. Sort of like jazz, actually. And now itā€™s not even remotely dangerous. The parents are punks and metalheads now, and itā€™s all thoroughly mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/47 "2011-06-01T15:10:47Z")
Has there ever been such a rash of parody threads as this one generated? I think the mods should have at least left the one open about people who hate fiberglass. Iā€™m still laughing at that one, and I didnā€™t even open it. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/48 "2011-06-01T15:14:26Z")
Metal is great music in the same way that The Onion is a great newspaper. But unlike The Onion they are not doing it ironically. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/49 "2011-06-01T15:15:26Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > Metal is great music in the same way that The Onion is a great newspaper. But unlike The Onion they are not doing it **ironically**. Iron is a metal. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/50 "2011-06-01T15:19:21Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Itā€™s ingenous wordsmithing compared to most metal lyrics. Seriously, look at the OP! I completely agree. I was just making a joke. I love me some Black Sabbath (but only when Ozzy was singingā€¦Dio was crap IMHO). ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/51 "2011-06-01T15:24:24Z")
> [@Bambro](#): > > I completely agree. I was just making a joke. I love me some Black Sabbath (but only when Ozzy was singingā€¦Dio was crap IMHO). Iā€™m with you (about Ozzy too). I should have included a smiley. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/52 "2011-06-01T15:27:07Z")
I pit people that lock threads about pitting people regarding metal. Now should I start a thread about that? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/53 "2011-06-01T15:29:02Z")
This is what happens when **Miller** decides to sleep in. Probably after a night of listen to Mantovani. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/54 "2011-06-01T15:30:16Z")
Da-da dun dun dun, another one bites the dust! ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/55 "2011-06-01T15:30:19Z")
> [@Bambro](#): > > I completely agree. I was just making a joke. I love me some Black Sabbath (but only when Ozzy was singingā€¦Dio was crap IMHO). Dio perforated my left eardrum when I was 17, the asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/56 "2011-06-01T15:35:17Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > +1. > > The only emotional responses CM vocals elicit from me are derision and laughter. Give me James Hetfield any day. What about a craving for cookies!?! Seriously, what are they trying to accomplish with that. I canā€™t take anything with that singing style seriously. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/57 "2011-06-01T15:52:52Z")
The lyrics you posted are so laughably stupid theyā€™re having the opposite effect of what you intended. My problem with most metal is exemplified by those kind of lyrics: childish sword & sorcery/occult crap or alternatively, apocalyptic themes you know the singer chose to express his feelings on being rejected by so many girls in high school. Also, the macho posturing, the elevation of technique over expression, the bombastic pomposity that has more to do with opera than rock & roll, etc. Nothing about it has anything to do with my life as an intelligent adult. Having said that, I do enjoy early Iron Maiden, Slayer and Motorhead. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/58 "2011-06-01T15:57:08Z")
Iā€™m curious as to what people would consider to be a ā€œmatureā€ lyrical theme for a metal song, or what subjects are appropriate for music in general. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/59 "2011-06-01T16:04:49Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Iā€™m curious as to what people would consider to be a ā€œmatureā€ lyrical theme for a metal song, or what subjects are appropriate for music in general. [Pad Thai](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg). ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/60 "2011-06-01T16:08:48Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Iā€™m curious as to what people would consider to be a ā€œmatureā€ lyrical theme for a metal song, or what subjects are appropriate for music in general. It occurs to me that if you canā€™t find something in the world to write aggressive, rage-filled lyrics about, and thus have to resort to tired old metal tropes about orcs and shit, you arenā€™t looking very hard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=4)