# I pit people who hate metal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944 "2011-06-01T10:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/81 "2011-06-01T16:59:27Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All By way of example… [/QUOTE] If you’re using the Ramones as an example of stupid lyrics you’re missing the point, because they were _intentionally_ stupid. It was part of the trash aesthetic - celebrating the disposability of junk culture, elevating b-movies and pulp novels to the level of “serious” art. Devo did something similar - using stupidity in a smart way. Which isn’t to claim the Ramones were intellectuals. But the lyrics were what they were for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/82 "2011-06-01T17:05:34Z")
I don’t really listen to music. At all. But this being the original thread, it’s the most likely to survive the inevitable Threadpocalypse (Band Name TM), so I’ll post this relevant link, regarding the difficulty of understanding lyrics, here: [Wishmaster - The Misheard Lyrics - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ) ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/83 "2011-06-01T17:25:53Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > I’m personally not familiar with any metal song that’s about orcs. If someone could direct me towards one, I’d appreciate it. [The Crying Orc by Burzum](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xys3iAV_WPA) (#1 on [The Top Ten Most Ridiculous Black Metal Song Titles Ever!)](http://www.isleyunruh.com/?p=25) ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/84 "2011-06-01T17:29:29Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > [The Crying Orc by Burzum](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xys3iAV_WPA) > > (#1 on [The Top Ten Most Ridiculous Black Metal Song Titles Ever!)](http://www.isleyunruh.com/?p=25) > [@](#): > > Orcs cry if Varg says so. > Hanskfheag 1 year ago 47 lol ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/85 "2011-06-01T18:00:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Queen aren’t metal. Boo. Yes they are. Or at least they had fun within that genre, among others. \*Queen \*is pretty hard to pin down in a single category or genre, they were pretty all over the place. But tell me _[Sheer Heart Attack](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmfTE5ryMAU)_ isn’t metal. Or _[Stone Cold Crazy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9PJ2uxiUGc)_, which has been covered by lots of metal bands. I’ll grant you it’s not speed thrash growl Finnish death metäl perkele, but it’s pretty heavy rockin’ all right. Especially for the era they put those songs out. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/86 "2011-06-01T19:02:28Z")
OK, metal challenge: post a link to a YouTube video of the most extreeeem extreme metal group ever in the history of extremity, and I’ll listen to it. And will try to appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/87 "2011-06-01T19:09:11Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > (#1 on [The Top Ten Most Ridiculous Black Metal Song Titles Ever!)](http://www.isleyunruh.com/?p=25) Did you see the first comment on that article? Sums up pretty much the entire genre to me: > [@](#): > > listen you say you used to listen to black metal when you were young now your all grown out ov it now you want to be a normal person with a normal life and have normal friends who arnt childish and immiture then why the fuck did you post that blog about the top 10 most retarded black metal song titles now that was a little stupid and retarded for posting that shit if i didint have metal in my life id have something lost in my life becase i listen to it the atmosher and music is great i dont even get it you liked black metal when you were 16 or 18 now you have became an adult and now you think your a little intelligant fuck with a great life come on you look like a little jewish princess with a lollypop wtf why would you want to be that your a poser a little fag that trys to act intelligant but doesent work > > this is all Aha. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/88 "2011-06-01T19:11:19Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > OK, metal challenge: post a link to a YouTube video of the most extreeeem extreme metal group ever in the history of extremity, and I’ll listen to it. And will try to appreciate it. Some people may argue it’s not really metal, but: https://www.youtube.com/embed/vc_7VajEoP8?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque (warning as unsafe for work as something on Youtube can be). ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/89 "2011-06-01T19:12:06Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Did you see the first comment on that article? Sums up pretty much the entire genre to me:Aha. The best part was not just all of the misspellings but this one in particular: “…young now your all grown out **ov** it now…”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/90 "2011-06-01T20:52:52Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > [Pad Thai](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg). I am never going to be able to eat Thai food again without laughing hysterically. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/91 "2011-06-01T21:02:35Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > Some people may argue it’s not really metal, but: > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc\_7VajEoP8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc_7VajEoP8) > > (warning as unsafe for work as something on Youtube can be). Is funny joke, no? Do people go to their gigs and stuff or is it a parody? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/92 "2011-06-01T21:26:24Z")
As a guitarist, it is pretty funny to follow this thread. Listen: there are a lot of categories of music that have their appeal, and rules - folks who play metal tend to expect certain tones and techniques to be used; country pickers also have clear, albeit very different, expectations. So?\* If you dig the subtle distinctions that you see and hear in metal, cool. I don’t try to explain John Coltrane’s Giant Steps to folks who think jazz is noise, either. Most cookie monster metal is not my cuppa, but whatever blows your skirt up, you know? \*then there’s [metal guys who chicken pick](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qZ4GevgwX4) (link to youtube; John 5 guitar lesson) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/93 "2011-06-01T21:36:18Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > I’m personally not familiar with any metal song that’s about orcs. If someone could direct me towards one, I’d appreciate it. Led Zeppelin did a lot of Tolkien-influenced songs. I don’t think I’d call Zeppelin “metal”, though. (“The Battle of Evermore”, “Over the Hills and Far Away” However, they’re Zeppelin, so their stuff didn’t suck. Even when it was nothing but: > [@](#): > > Oh oh oh oh oh oh > You don’t have to go oh oh oh oh oh > You don’t have to go oh oh oh oh oh > You don’t Have to go. > > Ay ay ay ay ay ay > All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay > All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay > Baby please don’t go. I’d rather hear that than whatever bullshit the OP’s posting about. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/94 "2011-06-01T21:39:51Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Is funny joke, no? Do people go to their gigs and stuff or is it a parody? They’re pretty famous (you can go to HMV and buy their stuff). They’re longrunning band, formed originally as a joke. Their ‘schtick’ is to make the most offensive and unlistenable music. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/95 "2011-06-01T21:40:18Z")
Gotta make a move to a Town that’s right for me Town to keep me movin’ Keep me groovin’ with some energy Well, I talk about it Talk about it Talk about it Talk about it Talk about, Talk about Talk about movin Gotta move on Gotta move on Gotta move on Won’t you take me to Funkytown Won’t you take me to Funkytown Won’t you take me to Funkytown Won’t you take me to Funkytown ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/96 "2011-06-01T21:44:45Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t think I’d call Zeppelin “metal”, though. _Led Zeppelin_ was one of the first, archetypal heavy metal bands. They’re metal by definition. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/97 "2011-06-01T21:50:53Z")
Here’s my deal: it seems like metal fans often assume that somehow everyone would love metal if they’d just give it an honest chance and if you don’t love it it’s proof that you haven’t given it an honest chance and blah blah blah. But I’ve never met one that would give classic bluegrass an honest chance, or serious folk. It’s fine to openly mock music if it’s 60 years old and country, but somehow mocking metal is like attacking their very identity. You’re supposed to keep trying until you “get it”, and they seem to think it’s a unique sort of musical experience. If bluegrass isn’t someone’s cup of tea, I figure they will know that pretty damn quick, and that’s fine. Why can’t I know that metal isn’t my cup of tea pretty damn quick, as well, and leave it at that? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/98 "2011-06-01T22:13:13Z")
It’s because you are a teacher, and therefore 1. Older than dirt 2. Incapable of having taste in anything as important as _music_ 3. Hï, Öpäl ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/99 "2011-06-01T22:29:28Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Pffffthahahahahaha. Mike Patton took Ozzy’s sullen nasal whine right off the shelf and used it pretty much as is, and Jim Martin was the absolute prototypical SOUL of a standard gallopy metal guitarist. He’ll admit it himself. I’m paraphrasing, but I once read an interview with him where he said, “I’m a metal dinosaur.” I LOVED FNM. Absolutely loved them, but to say they didn’t pretty much craft the basis of their sound out of Black Sabbath’s music (really very specifically Black Sabbath, in their particular case) is naive. > > And if you’re talking about Trey Spruance, listen to “King For a Day…”. It’s pretty much 75% chugging downstrokes. I must have missed the Sabbath record where Ozzy rapped and the keyboards were more important than the guitars. :dubious: For what it’s worth, I stopped paying attention when King for a Day came out because they suddenly sounded exactly like everyone else. > [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > If you’re using the Ramones as an example of stupid lyrics you’re missing the point, because they were _intentionally_ stupid. It was part of the trash aesthetic - celebrating the disposability of junk culture, elevating b-movies and pulp novels to the level of “serious” art. Devo did something similar - using stupidity in a smart way. Which isn’t to claim the Ramones were intellectuals. But the lyrics were what they were for a reason. One of those reasons is they didn’t give a shit about writing anything better. > [@Kobal2](#): > > Yes they are. Or at least they had fun within that genre, among others. \*Queen \*is pretty hard to pin down in a single category or genre, they were pretty all over the place. But tell me _[Sheer Heart Attack](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmfTE5ryMAU)_ isn’t metal. Or _[Stone Cold Crazy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9PJ2uxiUGc)_, which has been covered by lots of metal bands. > I’ll grant you it’s not speed thrash growl Finnish death metäl perkele, but it’s pretty heavy rockin’ all right. Especially for the era they put those songs out. I’m not saying they couldn’t do metal. They could probably have done any style they wanted. I’m saying they’re not a metal _band_. > [@silenus](#): > > Hï, Öpäl You win the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/100 "2011-06-01T22:32:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > _Led Zeppelin_ was one of the first, archetypal heavy metal bands. They’re metal by definition. Ah, but Zep are contaminated by The Blues and other non-white influences. \*Real \*metal doesn’t do rhythm. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=6)