# I pit people who hate metal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944 "2011-06-01T10:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/101 "2011-06-01T22:37:09Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Who the fuck is Battlelore? One of the best bands I’ve seen live, and one most people I know who are into metal have at least heard of. No mainstream penetration that I’m aware of. > [@MandaJo](#): > > But I’ve never met one that would give classic bluegrass an honest chance, or serious folk. I’m a fan of extreme metal, bluegrass and folk, among many other types of music. A lot of metal musicians I know at least appreciate the playing, even if they don’t like the music. This is not always true of the fans, however. Also, folk/metal crossover is one of the big things in underground metal in the last ten years or so. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggIxM42ptiA) is Tyr doing a traditional Faeroese folk song, and [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yM3XJZDV0Y) is Korpiklaani doing a folky style song of their own. Oh, and another song about [orcs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVcYsT9WPcs), for no particularly good reason. > [@Alessan](#): > > Ah, but Zep are contaminated by The Blues and other non-white influences. \*Real \*metal doesn’t do rhythm. Someone’s read too much Varg Vikernes… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/102 "2011-06-01T22:41:15Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Someone’s read too much Varg Vikernes… Never heard of him. Seriously - is there any form of music less funky than metal? ---
**Author:** ![heathen\_earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/13edae/32.png) [@heathen\_earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heathen_earthling)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/103 "2011-06-01T22:47:27Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > The other thing that concerns me about metal, in all seriousness, is that it seems to have been taken just about as far as it can be taken. Heck, that happened 20 years ago. It’s almost like this musical dead end now, that just kind of wallows in silly lyrics and formulaic music. Metal used to be dangerous. I remember listening to Slayer’s _South of Heaven_ when I was a kid at Boy Scout camp. It was almost frightening. Extremely attractive, but dangerous. And boy, how the parents hated it. I know the metalheads and the punks hated each other back then, and I was a punk, but there was something about the raw aggression of metal that even I found very attractive. > > … > > And now it’s not even remotely dangerous. The parents are punks and metalheads now, and it’s all thoroughly mainstream. What do you consider the new dangerous music? Or is there no dangerous music now? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/104 "2011-06-01T22:50:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Never heard of him. > > Seriously - is there any form of music less funky than metal? Ah, a white supremacist black metal musician who claimed that the problem with today’s metal is too much black influence. Yes, I see the irony. The guy is a musical genius, a fuckwit, and a convicted murderer. As for funky metal, the whole groove metal thing had some of it, with the Latin element in Sepultura/Soulfly for example. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/105 "2011-06-01T22:51:08Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s because you are a teacher, and therefore > > 1. Older than dirt > > 2. Incapable of having taste in anything as important as _music_ > > 3. Hï, Öpäl God as my witness, the bluegrass thing started in high school. Do have any idea how hard it is to want to listen to Bill Monroe when everyone else is masturbating to Pigface? And then to get shit for not being “open minded” enough to listen to the exact same music everyone else listened to? Which was probably a sign I was destined to be old and boring soon ASAP! ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/106 "2011-06-01T22:56:48Z")
> [@Ögre](#): > > The other thing that concerns me about metal, in all seriousness, is that it seems to have been taken just about as far as it can be taken. Heck, that happened 20 years ago. It’s almost like this musical dead end now, that just kind of wallows in silly lyrics and formulaic music… > > And now it’s not even remotely dangerous. The parents are punks and metalheads now, and it’s all thoroughly mainstream. Good pöst. I completely agree about the “nöt dangerous and thoroughly mainstream” part. (Especially now that black metal has been embraced by hipsters.) I don’t knöw about being a musical dead-end though. Every now and then a new band will appear, or an old band will come up with something new, and things will get shaken up for awhile. (True, this often unfortunately results in a glut of copycat bands beating the innovation to death.) But the cycle of metal rölls on, and there’s always one or two really great albums that get released amidst all the yearly dreck. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/107 "2011-06-01T23:20:48Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Father ov Terror! > Abu ol-Hol > enter the pylon > thru’ the galleys ov past > catacombs ov night Dude, what’s with the “v” in ov? Are you rejecting the suffocating convention of spelling just that one word? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/108 "2011-06-01T23:27:27Z")
> [@heathen\_earthling](#): > > What do you consider the new dangerous music? Or is there no dangerous music now? I really don’t think there’s anything dangerous out there right now. The extremes are mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![Necros](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/necros/32/11086_2.png) [@Necros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necros)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/109 "2011-06-01T23:45:23Z")
Found a way to rid myself clean of pain And the fever that’s been haunting me Has gone away Looking through my window I seem to recognize All the people passing by But I am alone And far from home And nobody knows me [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcCpsa4Plw) Please don’t say that metal is stagnant. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/110 "2011-06-02T00:13:16Z")
_Redacted. I don’t like critics of particular works, and I don’t want to be a hypocrite._ ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/111 "2011-06-02T00:20:43Z")
> [@Necros](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcCpsa4Plw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcCpsa4Plw) > > Please don’t say that metal is stagnant. Hi Opeth! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/112 "2011-06-02T00:57:30Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I really don’t think there’s anything dangerous out there right now. The extremes are mainstream. Not even. Atari Teenage Riot ftw [Black Flags](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-5p7vGVdA) [The Only Slight Glimmer Of Hope](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_hCK7S_mtY) ATR isn’t a new band, but they have their first new album in almost 10 years coming out soon, and they still advocate for the overthrow of existing political, social and cultural orders. They use a unique blend of sounds at a tempo that makes even thrash sound slow. Here’s some older stuff: [Revolution Action](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkb3r9filcM) [Destroy 2000 Years Of Culture](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bivsP_h6l0s) They even did a terrific song with **Slayer** back in 1999 called [No Remorse (I Wanna Die)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AqnP6cb0vQ). If they don’t qualify as dangerous, extreme and scary in your eyes (or ears, as the case may be) then I guess nothing does. Damn but I love this band! ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/113 "2011-06-02T01:02:36Z")
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**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/114 "2011-06-02T01:05:19Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I’m a metal fan, but Cookie Monster vocals are fucking dumb. Unless they are actually sung by Cookie Monster. ---
**Author:** ![jordanr2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/115 "2011-06-02T01:20:12Z")
Trouble is that these days, there’s no such thing as “metal” that you can speak about in this broad way. There are respectable mainstream crossovers like Opeth There’s epic wank replete with over-the-top lyrics and guitar showmanship like…well, I won’t name bands since I don’t want to hurt feelings. There’s the industrial/noise/black metal that Gnaw Their Tongues does. There’s black metal in a more traditional vein - groups like Darkthrone are still going strong, and musicians like Xasthur are creating some of the best music since 2000, period. Then there are intriguing variations on aspects of the genre: the cryptic, sinister group of bands calling themselves the Black Twilight Circle, or Mount Eerie’s appropriations of metal tropes on _Wind’s Poem_ from a couple years back, or the hypnotic barrage of last year’s Ash Borer/Fell Voices split. Ultimately, it’s fine if you think metal isn’t your thing, but seeing someone dismiss the genre just makes me think “…longer than we thought.” ---
**Author:** ![Miltonyz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Miltonyz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miltonyz)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/116 "2011-06-02T01:27:10Z")
I used to work with an Albanian fellow who absolutely loved Manowar. > **[Manowar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manowar)** > > Manowar is an American heavy metal band from Auburn, New York. Formed in 1980, the group is known for lyrics based on fantasy (particularly sword and sorcery) and mythology (particularly Norse mythology and Greco-Roman mythology), as well as numerous songs celebrating the genre and its core audience. The band is also known for a loud and emphatic sound. In an interview for MTV in February 2007, bassist Joey DeMaio lamented that "these days, there's a real lack of big, epic metal that is drench I once made the mistake of telling him we used to get pumped up to Heart of Steel in HS football. After that he was always bringing me Manowar Cd’s and songs. They sure had a fascination with war. One song would be about killing your enemy and then banging his women, the next would be a totally different song about banging your enemy’s woman and then killing him. 😃 On the other end of the spectrum I had a very good friend that was huge into Pantera, and it’s offshoots, Superjoint Ritual and DamagePlan. Metal is such a wide umbrella that these bands can sound absolutely nothing alike and fall under the heading of metal. I think with such a wide spectrum that someone if they really tried could find a subgenre or group that fit them. Whether it’s worth the effort or not is up to you. Manowar [Heart of Steel](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU6HJcd0Ljg) Pantera [Walk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_huqm7usE) ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/117 "2011-06-02T01:31:21Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s because you are a teacher, and therefore > > 1. Older than dirt > > 2. Incapable of having taste in anything as important as _music_ > > 3. Hï, Öpäl So wait, what if you’re a music teacher? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/118 "2011-06-02T01:36:44Z")
Then it goes _double_! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/119 "2011-06-02T01:47:58Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > _Led Zeppelin_ was one of the first, archetypal heavy metal bands. They’re metal by definition. Good point, although I’ve never thought of them as metal. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Zeppelin fan, but I’ve always considered them more hard rock. When it comes to strictly metal, I’ll stick with Nine Inch Nails. (Well, industrial metal) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/120 "2011-06-02T04:26:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Good point, although I’ve never thought of them as metal. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Zeppelin fan, but I’ve always considered them more hard rock. Like I said, Zep basically invented heavy metal (along with some other contemporary groups), although that’s not the only music they played. The genre became more narrowly defined later on. > [@](#): > > When it comes to strictly metal, I’ll stick with Nine Inch Nails. (Well, industrial metal) Neophytes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944.md?page=7)