# I Pit Rick Scott and I Pit Florida **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041 "2015-02-18T22:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/21 "2015-02-19T19:47:17Z")
And then we can approach the questions aburning. Are Anne Frank and Al Franken the same because they are both Jewish? And is Rudy Gulliani and Julie Andrews the same because he is a twat and she has one? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/22 "2015-02-19T19:52:07Z")
I would venture to say that some crimes are not strictly illegal. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/23 "2015-02-19T19:53:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The second: a crime can happen without anyone being tried and sentenced for it. > > BUT – it’s always for the proponent of a claim to provide proof of his claim. Without a trial and conviction, the rhetor who claims a crime happened has an uphill battle, because he needs to show some other equally strong evidence of the crime, and of the guilt of the accused. One cannot be stripped of one’s civil rights without such procedure. With respect to political credibility, however, the court of public opinion may freely presume guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/24 "2015-02-19T19:56:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The second: a crime can happen without anyone being tried and sentenced for it. > > BUT – it’s always for the proponent of a claim to provide proof of his claim. Without a trial and conviction, the rhetor who claims a crime happened has an uphill battle, because he needs to show some other equally strong evidence of the crime, and of the guilt of the accused. Did you read the article? Whether or not there was any malfeasance with regard to Bailey’s “firing”, it does appear pretty clear that the EOG was breaking Sunshine Laws (this is particularly true in the Andrews case referenced in the article). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/25 "2015-02-19T20:00:00Z")
> [@](#): > > …the court of public opinion may freely presume guilt. Sure, but when you _presume_, you make a\* pre\* out of you and…oh, wait. NM. Hey! I know it looks like I simply fucked up there, but its really a point about conservative hypocrisy! And you can’t prove it isn’t! Now, about Scott Tissue and Scott Walker: which is the better bumwad? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/26 "2015-02-19T20:08:06Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Is a reason necessary for pitting Rick Scott and Florida? Couldn’t this just be a sticky thread? Actually, why don’t we just ban BrainlessGlutton and replace him with an RSS feed of whatever DemocraticUnderground’s latest outrage du jour is. It’s not like he actually contributes anything to the board except links to outrage that other, smarter people have. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/27 "2015-02-19T20:19:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure, but when you _presume_, you make a\* pre\* out of you and…oh, wait. NM. > > Hey! I know it looks like I simply fucked up there, but its really a point about conservative hypocrisy! And you can’t prove it isn’t! Now, about Scott Tissue and Scott Walker: which is the better bumwad? So far, shit doesn’t stick to Scott Walker so The Tissue is a better choice. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/28 "2015-02-19T20:22:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure, but when you _presume_, you make a\* pre\* out of you and…oh, wait. NM. Su me. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/29 "2015-02-19T20:27:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey! I know it looks like I simply fucked up there, but its really a point about conservative hypocrisy! And you can’t prove it isn’t! Now, about Scott Tissue and Scott Walker: which is the better bumwad? I am unclear where this “hypocrisy” bit comes in. The RWs are being _consistent_ in terms of their known value set. It might be hypocritical for you to proceed as Scott has, but your values generally, I guess, exclude unsupportable double standards, whereas these apparently permeate the RW ethos. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/30 "2015-02-19T20:29:54Z")
Iow, iokiyar. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/31 "2015-02-19T21:36:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure, but when you _presume_, you make a\* pre\* out of you and…oh, wait. NM. When you _presume_, you make a _pres_ out of _u_ and _me._ Therefore, Presumption is the path to Presidency. Sounds good to me. Also, I don’t think Bricker used _soi-disant_ correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/32 "2015-02-19T21:57:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > One cannot be stripped of one’s civil rights without such procedure. > > With respect to political credibility, however, the court of public opinion may freely presume guilt. Except the “court of public opinion” keeps re-electing the guy. So the “court of public opinion,” isn’t presuming guilt. That’s just you and your pals from Slate. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/33 "2015-02-19T22:01:06Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Also, I don’t think Bricker used _soi-disant_ correctly. As an adjective, it modifies “threads,” not “Scott Walker.” It’s not the so-called Scott Walker, it’s the so-called “Scott Walker threads.” In what way is that incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/34 "2015-02-19T22:06:08Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Did you read the article? Whether or not there was any malfeasance with regard to Bailey’s “firing”, it does appear pretty clear that the EOG was breaking Sunshine Laws (this is particularly true in the Andrews case referenced in the article). Yes, I read the article. No, I don’t agree it’s “pretty clear,” that any “Sunshine Laws,” were broken. It’s true that Steven Andrews CLAIMS that the law was broken. Why you accept, uncritically, his version of the facts is not clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/35 "2015-02-19T22:06:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > As an adjective, it modifies “threads,” not “Scott Walker.” It’s not the so-called Scott Walker, it’s the so-called “Scott Walker threads.” > > In what way is that incorrect? Who gives a fuck? This is a “Rick Scott” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/36 "2015-02-19T22:17:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who gives a fuck? This is a “Rick Scott” thread. I give a fuck, since I was responding to the accusation that I misused the phrase “soi-distant.” Why don’t you offer an opinion about whether e-mail between Rick Scott and his cabinet about asking Bailey to resign is a meeting within the ambit of Fla. Stat. § 286.011? Don’t you have some brilliant thoughts about that issue? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/37 "2015-02-19T22:31:38Z")
Shit the google is all fucked up, it insists that there is no such thing as “soi-distant”. There is a thing spelled “soi-disant”, meaning like “so called” and/or “self described”. Boy, are the French gonna be embarrassed when they find out that **Bricker** speaks French better than they do! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/38 "2015-02-19T22:40:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I give a fuck, since I was responding to the accusation that I misused the phrase “soi-distant.” > > Why don’t you offer an opinion about whether e-mail between Rick Scott and his cabinet about asking Bailey to resign is a meeting within the ambit of Fla. Stat. § 286.011? Don’t you have some brilliant thoughts about that issue? I don’t know about “brilliant thoughts” but concerning the “voluntary” resignation of Bailey the article says > [@](#): > > Scott initially argued that Bailey simply resigned. But Bailey has since spoken publicly, accusing the governor of lying about his ouster (an email from Scott’s general counsel demanded that Bailey “retire or resign”) and attempting to politicize the independent FDLE. According to Bailey, Scott’s office pressured him to hire political cronies and forced FLDE officers to chauffeur Scott campaign staffers. Where it seems to run afoul of the Sunshine laws is covered here: > [@](#): > > Where this turned potentially illegal is in possible violations of Florida’s Government in the Sunshine Law, actually a robust series of transparency statutes around public meetings and records. Under that law, conversations between the governor and other statewide elected officials in his cabinet about staffing decisions must be open to the public and recorded with minutes. But through conduits, Scott and the cabinet secretly discussed firing Bailey, and hiring his replacement Rick Swearingen, sidestepping the Sunshine law. Cabinet members say they were told Bailey voluntarily resigned; Swearingen didn’t know about the firing either. I don’t know if that would count as an “official meeting”…but it certainly wasn’t open to the public and recorded within any minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/39 "2015-02-19T22:42:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shit the google is all fucked up, it insists that there is no such thing as “soi-distant”. There is a thing spelled “soi-disant”, meaning like “so called” and/or “self described”. Boy, are the French gonna be embarrassed when they find out that **Bricker** speaks French better than they do! I blame auto-correct. **foolsguinea** said I _used_ it incorrectly, though, which I interpreted very differently than I _spelled_ it incorrectly. (Twice!) So, yes, I cop to letting a misspelled word past me. And if that was the substance of **foolsguinea** ’s admonition, then, yup, he’s correct. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rick-scott-and-i-pit-florida/713041/40 "2015-02-19T22:42:56Z")
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