# I pit Rush Limbaugh for being an idiot about birth control **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593 "2012-03-02T22:29:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/361 "2012-03-06T16:38:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > YOU want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as you want, with as many partners as you want. How can it be otherwise? You want what you want. It’s definitional. It’s fair to say, then, that you are a man who wishes to have wild, hot gay sex with Pope Benedict any time, as many times, in as many positions, and via as many orifices as you want? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/362 "2012-03-06T16:44:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Exactly. She can’t possibly want what she doesn’t want. Whatever she wants is exactly what that statement says she wants. I presume Rush was alluding to self control of one’s desires, in that virtuous conservatives are capable of resisting carnal temptation, no matter how much they want it. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/363 "2012-03-06T16:46:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “…they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want.” > > True, they do. And who among us would disagree with that statement? The statement is leading and dishonest. It would be more accurate to say they want to choose _ **when** _ they have sex, as often _ **or infrequently** _ as they want, with as many or _ **as few partners** _ as they want. It leads the dimwitted, using words to dishonestly imply promiscuity. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/364 "2012-03-06T16:52:05Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s fair to say, then, that you are a man who wishes to have wild, hot gay sex with Pope Benedict any time, as many times, in as many positions, and via as many orifices as you want? I actually _ **have** _ read that on the internets. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/365 "2012-03-06T16:54:56Z")
**Bricker** , you don’t get to make a joke at Rush’s expense because you’re **Bricker**. We’ll assume you’re grasping at some tiny shred and trying to claim it’s a valid defense of Rush, rather than just laughing with your ironic observation. Will somebody please explain to me Patricia Heaton’s ‘joke’ about ‘turn your panties inside out so you can wear them for two weeks’? What does being a slut have to do with not changing your underwear? Or is the joke she hardly ever has underwear on, so it lasts a week? Or does slut=also unhygienic? Or is it typical right-wing ‘this has many elements of a joke and is insulting so it’s a joke I think I don’t really get this humor thing the humans speak of’? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/366 "2012-03-06T16:58:10Z")
> [@bup](#): > > **Bricker** Will somebody please explain to me Patricia Heaton’s ‘joke’ about ‘turn your panties inside out so you can wear them for two weeks’? It wasn’t a joke. She was just passing on an energy saving tip she uses. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/367 "2012-03-06T16:58:50Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Or is it typical right-wing ‘this has many elements of a joke and is insulting so it’s a joke I think I don’t really get this humor thing the humans speak of’? Or what? I think it’s that. Tee hee, she’s a slut! That means, tee hee, any comment I make about her being gross is funneeee. ---
**Author:** ![Mentor\_and\_Liar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mentor\_and\_Liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mentor_and_Liar)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/368 "2012-03-06T17:04:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, although in fairness, of that complete list, I agree with one comment… that is, of that long list, I content that at least one comment is an absolutely fair an accurate assessment of Ms. Fluke’s position. > > “…they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want.” > > True, they do. And who among us would disagree with that statement? Interesting Point! That certainly raises a few other questions: 1. Is that really Ms Fluke’s position? 2. Is that really what her testimony concerned? 3. Do you “content” that your interpretation of the statement at all matches the actual meaning as Rush stated it? 4. Have you advanced the discussion? 5. In what way have you affected ignorance? 6. Are you pleased with the point and value of your contribution? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/369 "2012-03-06T17:05:42Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s fair to say, then, that you are a man who wishes to have wild, hot gay sex with Pope Benedict any time, as many times, in as many positions, and via as many orifices as you want? How many orifices could be involved?? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/370 "2012-03-06T17:11:13Z")
> [@Mentor\_and\_Liar](#): > > Interesting Point! That certainly raises a few other questions: > > 1. Is that really Ms Fluke’s position? Yes, inasmuch as it’s also anyone else’s position. > [@](#): > > 1. Is that really what her testimony concerned? No. But I didn’t say it was. > [@](#): > > 1. Do you “content” that your interpretation of the statement at all matches the actual meaning as Rush stated it? No, and I made that clear by pointing out that of the vast numbers of statements quoted by RTFirefly, I agreed with exactly one. > [@](#): > > 1. Have you advanced the discussion? This is the Pit. The purpose of the forum, as I understand it, is not so much to have a reasonable discussion that one “advances.” But by raising a minor point, technically accurate but irrelevant to the original thrust of the discussion, I have upheld a common practice in the Pit. So by Pit standards, I would say yes – I have advanced the discussion. > [@](#): > > 1. In what way have you affected ignorance? I’ve apparently dealt out a valuable lesson concerning truisms. > [@](#): > > 1. Are you pleased with the point and value of your contribution? So far, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/371 "2012-03-06T17:12:14Z")
> [@bup](#): > > **Bricker** , you don’t get to make a joke at Rush’s expense because you’re **Bricker**. We’ll assume you’re grasping at some tiny shred and trying to claim it’s a valid defense of Rush, rather than just laughing with your ironic observation. Oh. Is there some ironic smiley I should have added? ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/372 "2012-03-06T17:13:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How many orifices could be involved?? At least 4, by my count. I don’t always have the greatest imagination when it comes to these things, though. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/373 "2012-03-06T17:16:35Z")
The elderly tend to have fragile skin, so—as with the Lord—all things are possible. ---
**Author:** ![Mentor\_and\_Liar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mentor\_and\_Liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mentor_and_Liar)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/374 "2012-03-06T17:20:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So far, yes. Telling ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/375 "2012-03-06T17:21:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Oh. > > Is there some ironic smiley I should have added? Please. A big flashing sign as well. Perhaps a sandwich board of some sort. Skywriting? (Or just accept that not everyone is all that great at reading comprehension, I guess.) I, for one, want precisely as much sex with El Rushbo as I want, no more, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/376 "2012-03-06T17:27:10Z")
> [@bup](#): > > **Bricker** , you don’t get to make a joke at Rush’s expense because you’re **Bricker**. We’ll assume you’re grasping at some tiny shred and trying to claim it’s a valid defense of Rush, rather than just laughing with your ironic observation. I thought it was kind of funny. Rush only manages to say something true when what he says doesn’t mean what he thinks it means. (I also find it rather strange to be defending **Bricker**. If Rush has gone so far out that **Bricker** and I appear to be on common ground, he must be orbiting another star by now. Maybe Epsilon Reticuli–I hear it has a gas giant.) ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/377 "2012-03-06T17:34:45Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > My daughter graduated high school last year. I can safely say that she was not reading reddit or huffpo. Unless she was deleting those sites from the history. FWIW, I coach high school debate and I can safely say that the majority of my 40 person squad reads those sites daily- BBC News, too. I realize that doesn’t make them the “average” 14-18 year olds, but there ya go. There are definitely kids that do read political stuff for all kinds of reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/378 "2012-03-06T17:40:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How many orifices could be involved?? Has he had a colostomy? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/379 "2012-03-06T17:50:47Z")
I think it’s telling that in the face of Rush saying just vile, hateful thing about a woman, most of the people on the right can’t seem to rise above “tee hee hee, sex is nawty!” No wonder you guys have already lost the 2012 presidential election. Please, by all means keep talking about women’s health. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593/380 "2012-03-06T17:54:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But the statement is a truism. In can’t be false. If Ms. Fluke wishes to remain a virgin until she marries, and have sex only with her husband, it’s still true that she wants to have sex any time, as many times and as often as (she) want(s), with as many partners as (she) want(s). It’s just that any time is “after marriage,” and “as many partners” is “1.” > > My point is: that statement can’t be false. I suppose that statement is _literally_ true if you want to play those kinds of games, but we all know that language doesn’t work that way in the real world. You’re a lawyer. If we were discussing a defamation suit, do you think that this kind of statement could be defended in court? If a lawyer said “but you’re honor, diagram the sentence, it’s true, it can’t _not_ be true”. Would that lawyer get much respect from a judge? Hey, maybe he would. You’re the lawyer, not me. But I suspect that a judge would not be too happy about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-rush-limbaugh-for-being-an-idiot-about-birth-control/614593.md?page=20)