# I pit scum that like useing 2 eights(psst your code has been compromised) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161 "2004-03-14T00:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/101 "2004-03-14T15:02:23Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I took a stand against stupidity More like you took a stand with stupidity, no doubt it got all confusing in your little brain on which was which eh? Pretty bad when you are so stupid, stupid fights you. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/102 "2004-03-14T15:23:00Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I just KNEW it was a chick. > > Only a woman could chuck in such drivelling diatrabes as **askeptic** has done. > > 🆒 And only a miserable snivelling **prick** could post against intolerant fool with a more viciously intolerant assumption. And least **askeptic** is inspired to his ingorant intolerance by hatred of Nazism. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/103 "2004-03-14T15:27:41Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Pleas don’t say it was the number on your jersey in high school, we have all heard that one. I have a feeling that he did claim exactly that when asked about the 88. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/104 "2004-03-14T15:33:25Z")
**Fenris** , I just took that to mean he hadn’t read this: > [@Fenris](#): > > …as the son of a Holocaust survivor… Did this, > [@askeptic](#): > > I am for real. remind anyone else here of the Outkast video? _ **Sorry, Ms. Jackson!..** _ ---
**Author:** ![htns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@htns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/htns)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/105 "2004-03-14T16:57:56Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I guess Nazi is a word, not an acronym for the German National Socialist Party (or some such drivel)? IIRC, the acronym you’re probably thinking of is NSDAP. I forgot the original German, but it means “National Socialist German Worker’s Party”. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/106 "2004-03-14T18:07:06Z")
I think it’s about time _someone_ screams "GODWIN’S LAW!!!\* in this thread. :::d&r::: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/107 "2004-03-14T18:43:42Z")
Does that mean this is the end of this discussion? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/108 "2004-03-14T20:16:49Z")
> [@j66](#): > > And only a miserable snivelling **prick** could post against intolerant fool with a more viciously intolerant assumption. > > And least **askeptic** is inspired to his ingorant intolerance by hatred of Nazism. And thus my whoooooshing generalization went sailing off into the ether. 😃 (P.S. I’m a chick **j66** ) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/109 "2004-03-14T21:09:40Z")
I have read and followed the thread and question since the beginning and I must admit I have been fascinated. I am not quite as accepting of the motives and explanations of **Millen88** as most of you are. What he wrote was interesting and not typical of what most of us would imagine a white nationalist would say. Consider the following though: 1. The 88 as a salute to Hitler coming from a white nationalist is one hell of a coincidence. 2. He seems to be a member of Stormfront. It does not appear to be a coincidence that he showed up followed by their members. Stormfront is controlled and populated by honest to God Nazis. Most of the avatars are versions of Swastikas. If you thought Hitler was a madman, as Millen once claimed, why would you assoicate with people who think he was the bee’s knees? 3. It would be better strategy to start with the more moderate views of white nationalism before starting on the extremist ones. Millen is undeniably intelligent and is likely to realize this. I am unable to take him at face value. I am a bit surprised so many others are. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/110 "2004-03-14T21:17:35Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > And thus my whoooooshing generalization went sailing off into the ether. 😃 > > (P.S. I’m a chick **j66** ) 🙂 And I have been composing really biting and _a propos_ responses to you since I posted. I was completely enraged. What can I say? You got me, I missed it, … Oh, I know: I’m sorry; that was very rude of me, and I should have given you the benefit of the doubt or at least asked for clarification. Please accept my apologizies and forgive me. Damn, does that sound sarcastic; but it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/111 "2004-03-14T21:36:27Z")
> [@fruitbat](#): > > I have read and followed the thread and question since the beginning and I must admit I have been fascinated. I am not quite as accepting of the motives and explanations of **Millen88** as most of you are. What he wrote was interesting and not typical of what most of us would imagine a white nationalist would say. Consider the following though: > > 1. The 88 as a salute to Hitler coming from a white nationalist is one hell of a coincidence. > 2. He seems to be a member of Stormfront. It does not appear to be a coincidence that he showed up followed by their members. Stormfront is controlled and populated by honest to God Nazis. Most of the avatars are versions of Swastikas. If you thought Hitler was a madman, as Millen once claimed, why would you assoicate with people who think he was the bee’s knees? > 3. It would be better strategy to start with the more moderate views of white nationalism before starting on the extremist ones. Millen is undeniably intelligent and is likely to realize this. > I am unable to take him at face value. I am a bit surprised so many others are. You’re missing the point. He may well have been a Nazi, but a) being a Nazi sympathiser is _not_ a crime, and b) so fucking what? Were we all going to be swayed by his arguments because we thought he wasn’t all that bad a guy? Hardly. If John McCain suddenly started advocating preemptive war as a basis for US foreign policy, people aren’t going to start supporting it just because he’s usually so reasonable. **askeptic** and others were basically conducting a big, pointless witch-hunt. Was he going to get banned for being a Nazi? Of course not. Would he have been banned if he _did_ start spouting hateful racist bullshit? Of course. Anyway, he’s gone now. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/112 "2004-03-14T21:38:33Z")
Does that mean this is the end of this discussion? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/113 "2004-03-14T22:00:23Z")
I wasn’t interjecting to agree with **askeptic** , nor did I ever claim to agree with him. I was responding to previous posts that took Millen’s word on the nature of his beliefs. I was pointing out a few reasons why I felt it would be unwise to take his statements in that thread at face value. ---
**Author:** ![htns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@htns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/htns)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/114 "2004-03-14T22:48:35Z")
> [@gluteus maximus](#): > > Does that mean this is the end of this discussion? ☹ Nope. Godwin’s Law simply predicts that if you let a thread run for an infinite length of time, someone will mention Nazis/Hitler. The perception that it ends a discussion with the person mentioning Nazis losing the discussion is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/115 "2004-03-14T22:55:52Z")
> [@htns](#): > > Nope. Godwin’s Law simply predicts that if you let a thread run for an infinite length of time, someone will mention Nazis/Hitler. The perception that it ends a discussion with the person mentioning Nazis losing the discussion is incorrect. You’re not very bright, are you? 😉 [sub]There was a huge Pit thread, about idiots screaming “Godwin’s Law!” at every mention of Hitler, about a week ago.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/116 "2004-03-14T22:58:45Z")
_whooooooosh!_ The OP was three pages ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/117 "2004-03-14T22:59:46Z")
> [@gluteus maximus](#): > > _whooooooosh!_ > The OP was three pages ago. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/118 "2004-03-14T23:16:43Z")
I was talking to **htns** (How do you pronounce that? Seems like a rather _tinny_ word.)… ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/119 "2004-03-15T04:31:15Z")
> [@fruitbat](#): > > I have read and followed the thread and question since the beginning and I must admit I have been fascinated. I am not quite as accepting of the motives and explanations of **Millen88** as most of you are. > > \< snip \> I am unable to take him at face value. I am a bit surprised so many others are. I’ve got a number of the same concerns you have **fruitbat** , but at the same time, I don’t see a way to do anything _but_ give him the benefit of the doubt and take him at his word. Especially if the alternative is to run around shrieking “NAZI!” like the OP did. Today, the term “racist” makes a number of people do a :rolleyes: because it’s been watered down by some to mean “Someone I disagree with.” \\ and given the legitmate problems of racism, not having a word that actually carries weight is a problem. I _don’t_ want to see that happening to the term “Nazi”. And even if he _does_ turn around in a month and say “Ha-ha! I fooled you! Sieg Heil, schwienhunds!” I’ll still stand by my stance here. Like I said, I find **Millen88** ’s views scary and some of his comments _do_ make me raise an eyebrow, but either we accept Dopers at face value until proven liars or the messageboard becomes…well…the Usenet. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161/120 "2004-03-15T04:46:08Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Today, the term “racist” makes a number of people do a :rolleyes: because it’s been watered down by some to mean “Someone I disagree with.” I don’t think your personal semantics fit the kind of educated debate we hope happens on these boards. In other words; ‘racist’ is still a completely viable term with its full meaning intact, regardless of “some” you may know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-scum-that-like-useing-2-eights-psst-your-code-has-been-compromised/234161.md?page=7)