# I Pit Sevastopol 88 - Heil Hitler! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409 "2004-09-28T02:56:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/61 "2004-09-28T12:18:27Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > I never advocated any such thing. [quote] The Paul Fitzroy Solution: drop a nice neutron bomb on Iran, followed by one on Saudi Arabia. Bulldoze **every stinkin’ hovel in Gaza and the West Bank** ; destroy Hamas and Hezbollah. [quote] Population of Gaza 1.5 million Population of Iran 69 million Population of Saudi Arabia 25 million No clarifation to mention military targets just a call to drop a few nice neutron bombs and destroy **every** home in Gaza and the West Bank. What an angry little fuck you are. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/62 "2004-09-28T12:39:05Z")
> [@Spiny Norman](#): > > You’re advocating genocide by means of an extremely aggressive military policy, and you really ought to be ashamed of yourself. Spot on. [hijack] By the way, I really dig your user name. Makes me think of a hedgehog every time I see it. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/63 "2004-09-28T12:53:26Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > Why not eliminate Israel instead, the argument in favour has lately become at least as strong? Add to that this little gem: > [@sevastopol](#): > > Actually, you’d want to do a lot of preparatory work in NYC if genocide was really the plan. That quibble aside, being as it is on the cards thanks to Sharon’s latest initiatives, I don’t see why we should close off any options at this stage in our search for Middle Eastern peace. So the most credit I can give him is, confronted with the choice between destroying an anti-Semitic terrorist group like Hamas and destroying Israel, he can’t quite make up his mind. But he thinks killing every person in Israel is an option we shouldn’t close off. Interesting use of the word “we”, also. Conclusion - perhaps not quite ready for St_rmfr_nt, but getting there. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/64 "2004-09-28T12:55:28Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > By the way, I really dig your user name. Makes me think of a hedgehog every time I see it. I’m not sure whether you know where the name comes from or not. Just in case you don’t: > [@](#): > > [Doug and Dinsdale, the Piranha Brothers](http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/piranha.htm) > > **Interviewer** : Was there anything unusual about him? > > **Gloria** : I should say not. Dinsdale was a perfectly normal person in every way. Except in as much he was convinced that he was being watched by a giant hedgehog whom he referred to as ‘Spiny Norman’. > > **Interviewer** : How big was Norman supposed to be? > > **Gloria** : Normally he was wont to be about twelve feet from nose to tail, but when Dinsdale was very depressed Norman could be anything up to eight hundred yards long. When Norman was about, Dinsdale would go very quiet and his nose would swell up and his teeth would start moving about and he’d become very violent and claim that he’d laid Stanley Baldwin. Dinsdale was a gentleman, and what’s more he knew how to treat a female impersonator. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/65 "2004-09-28T12:59:11Z")
Actually **Shodan** , the quotes you posted from **sevastopol** sound sarcastic to me, rather than serious. On the other hand, I would also have thought **Paul** ’s calls for massive nuclear destruction among ME Muslims were sarcastic if he hadn’t repeatedly insisted that he really meant them, so what do I know. ---
**Author:** ![PaulFitzroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@PaulFitzroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulFitzroy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/66 "2004-09-28T14:48:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Population of Iran 69 million Stating the populations of said countries does not “prove” that I advocate genocide. Stating that I never identified military targets does not prove that I advocate genocide. I never advocated genocide and you will NOT be able to prove that I did based only on what I have written here. Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Not with the pure intent of killing massive numbers of people!) while Sevastopol actually has suggested genocide (using that specific WORD?) If you can prove I suggested destroying their populations wholesale, I want you to do so. You will not be able to. Interestingly enough Sevastopol is the one person I haven’t seen in this thread. Why doesn’t he come and clear up the issue of whether he was being facetious or not? > [@](#): > > You whine that other people do not understand you, but you choose your words so carelessly as to put understanding you beyond the reach of even very bright people. How do you know that I’ve been “whining” as opposed to simply stating what I believe? I haven’t been speaking to you; you can tell my tone of voice just from looking at my text on the Internet? > [@](#): > > Either you are so horribly ignorant of the effects of dropping a single bomb on a nation\* (particularly a large nation that has already suffered a years-long war, such as Iran) that you childishly believe that such an act would do more than anger them into defiance or else you intended the metaphorical extermination of two peoples in the way I set out, above. I don’t care if it would anger the Iranians into defiance. The point is to destroy their nuclear capability to attack us. I do not advocate genocide. I am talking about a highly aggressive military policy; I’m not talking about trying to eliminate the Arab people or the Islamic religion. I am not the biggest fan of the Muslim world, as you know, but destroying it is not the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/67 "2004-09-28T14:54:46Z")
Nice backtracking. :wally ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/68 "2004-09-28T14:56:52Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Actually **Shodan** , the quotes you posted from **sevastopol** sound sarcastic to me, rather than serious. I suppose it is possible, although it didn’t sound that way to me. **sevastopol** can easily clear up the confusion if he chooses, with a simple statement that he supports Israel’s right to exist, that he rejects terrorism against her, etc. He can decry atrocities on both sides, if he likes. Pretty much anything that does not sound like it should be translated, “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer - der Sieg wird unser sein”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/69 "2004-09-28T15:02:23Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Well, I guess you get called an “angry little fuck” because people think that you’re an angry little fuck. I myself would call you a lying little fuck, though, because you’re now pretending that you meant military targets all along. It’s possible that you actually _did_ mean that all along, which might make you a disingenuous little fuck, or perhaps we all misunderstood you, which I guess makes you simply a stupid fuck who’s facility with language is so poor as to make such widespread misinterpretations possible. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/70 "2004-09-28T15:03:40Z")
**Seva’s** comments were obviously sarcastic, **Shodan** , they don’t require explaining. BTW, what does “supporting Israel’s right to exist” have to do with opposing genocide? Is it your position that anyone who doesn’t believe that Israel has the right to exist as an inependent Jewish state _necessarily_ supports genocide? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/71 "2004-09-28T15:06:26Z")
**PF:** _Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Not with the pure intent of killing massive numbers of people!) […] The point is to destroy their nuclear capability to attack us._ Dude, you were advocating hitting them with **neutron bombs** , which [by definition](http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/neutron_bomb_1.html) are > [@](#): > > specifically designed not to produce a massive explosion and significant infrastructure damage, but rather to completely irradiate an area with neutron radiation, killing all living things while leaving the infrastructure relatively intact. Now if what you really support is the exact opposite—destroying the military-target infrastructure rather than killing large numbers of people—then why were you making such a pitch for neutron bombs? You can understand how we might have got the impression that you were jonesing on the **killing people** part, since that’s what neutron bombs are best at. Out of curiosity, what part of Saudi Arabia is it that you want to drop a “nice neutron bomb” on? They don’t have nuclear capability, you know. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/72 "2004-09-28T15:13:35Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Not with the pure intent of killing massive numbers of people!) while Sevastopol actually has suggested genocide (using that specific WORD?) If you can prove I suggested destroying their populations wholesale, I want you to do so. You will not be able to. Nice weaseling, weasel boy. When you state that “neutron bombs” should be dropped on Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and make no qualifiying statements about what the specific targets might be, it’s perfectly reasonable for people to assume that your intended target is not just specific military installations. Especially when, in the next sentence, you talk about bulldozing every “stinkin’ hovel” in the occupied territories. The fact that you come into this thread on the following day and claim that you really only meant military targets is irrelevant. And it’s irrelevant for a couple of reasons. Firstly, we can only draw conclusions based on what you actually write, and during the period where you offered no clarification of your targets, it was perfectly logical to conclude that you meant _all_ of Iran and _all_ of Suadi Arabia. Now, you claim that you only meant military targets. Here’s the second reason why this is now irrelevant: i don’t believe you. In fact, i’m calling you a liar, right now, and to your face. If you had come in early on in this thread and said “Whoops, sorry about that, i didn’t mean to imply that we should exterminate the whole population of those countries,” then people probably would have given you a pass. You had the opportunity many hours ago to clarify your statements, and to assert that you only meant military targets, and yet you did not do so, even after multiple accusations of genocidal tendencies. Instead, you simply kept repeating “Prove it! Prove it!” You only made the clarification about military targets after multiple posts pointed out that what you said clearly implied genocide. You are a dishonest schmuck, and a weasel. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/73 "2004-09-28T15:34:37Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > I’m not sure whether you know where the name comes from or not. Just in case you don’t: :smack: Well, DAMN my feeble memory. No wonder I kept thinking “hedgehog” – that sketch always cracked me up, no matter how many times I saw the rerun. Thanks for the reminder. :: Wanders off, hallooing “DIIIIIIIIINSDALE” :: ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/74 "2004-09-28T15:39:54Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Nice weaseling, weasel boy. > > You are a dishonest schmuck, and a weasel. You really shouldn’t insult weasels like that. I prefer “slime mold” for our Fitzy-boy. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/75 "2004-09-28T15:45:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Not with the pure intent of killing massive numbers of people!) while Sevastopol actually has suggested genocide (using that specific WORD?) If you can prove I suggested destroying their populations wholesale, I want you to do so. You will not be able to. When you’re talking about dropping neutron bombs and bulldozing all homes in an area **say what you mean and mean what you say**. You may not be an angry little fuck but I’m pretty sure you’re a lying one. Toodles ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/76 "2004-09-28T16:18:56Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets Here are several possibilities: a) “angry little fuck” is today’s phrase of the day and everyone who uses it in a post gets a prize b) Dopers have problems with reading comprehension and fail to understand that “bomb Iran” is an idiom which _really_ means “bomb some military targets within the Iranian borders with minimal loss of civilian life as part of an aggressive genoci… oh, sorry, _military policy_ against randomly selected Islamic states.” c) You have problems conveying information through text. Two threads, two feet firmly wedged in mouth, two fairly amusing attempts to backtrack because you failed to say what you mean the first time around… but that _can’t_ be it. You’re a genius! d) You _are_ an angry little fuck. As an aside, dropping neutron bombs on Iran and Saudi Arabia would be prohibitively expensive. Much better solution would be dropping them on _ourselves_, leaving the terrorists with nobody to kill! That’ll show 'em, and it’s just as reasonable a plan as yours. ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Conjugate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Complex\_Conjugate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Complex_Conjugate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/77 "2004-09-28T16:32:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Why do I get called an “angry little fuck” for suggesting to drop bombs on the military targets (and here I am identifying them: military targets! Not centers of population! Not with the pure intent of killing massive numbers of people!) while Sevastopol actually has suggested genocide (using that specific WORD?) If you can prove I suggested destroying their populations wholesale, I want you to do so. You will not be able to. **Paul** do you think people are so stupid that they will foregt what you **actually** posted. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/78 "2004-09-28T17:02:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Actually **Shodan** , the quotes you posted from **sevastopol** sound sarcastic to me, rather than serious. On the other hand, I would also have thought **Paul** ’s calls for massive nuclear destruction among ME Muslims were sarcastic if he hadn’t repeatedly insisted that he really meant them, so what do I know. Merely skimming the context, I don’t see anything that leads me to believe that the sugestions were to be taken as endorsed. They actually seemed to be presented on the **sevas** found hem to be just as undesirable as the suggestions **sevas** was addressing. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/79 "2004-09-28T21:21:30Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > Someone who agreed with me could just as easily say that I was making a facetious comment to make a point. Paul honey, I just want to point something out here. I’m assuming you’re here for a reason. Either a) You’re a troll, and are here to stir up shit b) You just like to read your own written words or c) You believe that the people here are resonably smart, and may provide a good source of debate. Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that the answer is “C” - it would certainly be the most obvious because paying $15 to troll, or to see your own words would be silly. So, you think the people here are reasonably smart. Every single one of them that’s posted in this thread disagrees with you. Not one person has agreed with you. Do you think, possibly that means that either a) you’re wrong, or b) you’re not presenting your opinion clearly? Please, take as much time as you need to answer. This portion of the test is not timed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409/80 "2004-09-28T22:28:08Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > you can tell my tone of voice just from looking at my text on the Internet? In your case in this situation? Yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sevastopol-88-heil-hitler/266409.md?page=5)