# I pit SkipMagic for being twee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611 "2005-05-05T23:03:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/21 "2005-05-05T23:51:07Z")
You really need to find a new adjective, **guinnog**. You wore out “twee” about half way through your OP. Less whining in general would also be nice, but I’m trying to be realistic in my expectations. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/22 "2005-05-05T23:56:01Z")
I find it truly amazing that you know all about the ‘ethos of the sdmb’ after having been here less than a month. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/23 "2005-05-05T23:58:50Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > I fail to see what I have done wrong. I have read all the notes on message postings rules and cannot find anything that covers my alleged indiscretion. OK, here’s an honest answer for you, absent all the whining about “six year tradition” and whatnot. The problem is that the thread is in MPSIMS. MPSIMS is not for debating, it’s for, well, Mundane, Pointless, Stuff I Must Share - although, memorial threads aren’t really mundane or pointless. The real purpose of the MPSIMS area (and IMHO) is to be able to do those sorts of things, without worry that someone is going to hijack it into a debate. The proper procedure, if you wanted to debate WWII strategy, would have been to start a new thread in Great Debates and, if you wanted to, posting a link to it in the MPSIMS thread. Really, your main “offense” was to start debating in an area that’s not supposed to be a debating area. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/24 "2005-05-06T00:03:02Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > If I had known that was your ‘tone’, I might not have joined. Well, gosh, now that we know that, I’m just _certain_ everyone’s going to be lining up to kiss your ass. Or not. Feel free to fuck off, you whinging cunt. ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/25 "2005-05-06T00:06:50Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > OK, here’s an honest answer for you, absent all the whining about “six year tradition” and whatnot. > > The problem is that the thread is in MPSIMS. MPSIMS is not for debating, it’s for, well, Mundane, Pointless, Stuff I Must Share - although, memorial threads aren’t really mundane or pointless. The real purpose of the MPSIMS area (and IMHO) is to be able to do those sorts of things, without worry that someone is going to hijack it into a debate. > > The proper procedure, if you wanted to debate WWII strategy, would have been to start a new thread in Great Debates and, if you wanted to, posting a link to it in the MPSIMS thread. > > Really, your main “offense” was to start debating in an area that’s not supposed to be a debating area. > > Hope that helps. I see. Well, that’s helpful. So I erred when I started debating in [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6129133#post6129133](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6129133#post6129133) (Message 330), would you say that post transgressed your rules? > [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Noone Special > So once again (one can never say this too many times) we must thank all the veterans who made victory not only necessary but possible; who assured that Europe could once again become free; and who helped save at least some of those who would otherwise have been the victims of the Nazi murder machine. > > Of course they could have saved a whole lot more if their political and military leaders had cared enough to bomb the camps and the railway lines to the camps. Diversion of resources to this was blocked. > > Harris in so many ways seems more a first than a second world war figure to me. Attrition, attrition, attrition. > > I’d like to add my respect to those who died. In the modern spirit of reconciliation I’d like also to mention the Russian and German, especially German civilian casualties of WW2. > > War is obscene. There are very few just wars. Even WW2 which arguably was one of them was avoidable and deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/26 "2005-05-06T00:19:22Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > (Message 330), would you say that post transgressed your rules? I would say it was borderline. It’s not a hard and fast rule, though, it’s more of a popular convention. The proper thing to do after **roger\_thornhill** made his rebuttal of your assertion would have been to say “I don’t want to hijack this thread, let’s continue this discussion in Great Debates” and provided a link to the thread you started. The reason you got picked on rather than **roger** was because you continued on with it. Particularly your post #339, in response to **RickJay**. MPSIMS just isn’t the place for substantive debate. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/27 "2005-05-06T00:19:52Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I must assume that I have an incorrect understanding of what the word “twee” means, because as far as I can tell, you are accusing **SkipMagic** of dressing like a leprechaun. This is a more serious offense than you seem to realize. ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/28 "2005-05-06T00:22:25Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > Well, gosh, now that we know that, I’m just _certain_ everyone’s going to be lining up to kiss your ass. > > Or not. Feel free to fuck off, you whinging cunt. Thanks, I will. Is your use of the c-word because you came from one or because you are nostalgic? Both? If you wanted to compete in insults, I think I could beat you. But let’s not. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/29 "2005-05-06T00:25:34Z")
> [@FilmGeek](#): > > I find it truly amazing that you know all about the ‘ethos of the sdmb’ after having been here less than a month. > [@guinnog](#): > > I have read the column for years and lurked in the board for over a year. From [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6098403#post6098403) [Memo to self: lurking doesn’t always work] ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/30 "2005-05-06T00:32:16Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > I would say it was borderline. It’s not a hard and fast rule, though, it’s more of a popular convention. The proper thing to do after **roger\_thornhill** made his rebuttal of your assertion would have been to say “I don’t want to hijack this thread, let’s continue this discussion in Great Debates” and provided a link to the thread you started. > > The reason you got picked on rather than **roger** was because you continued on with it. Particularly your post #339, in response to **RickJay**. MPSIMS just isn’t the place for substantive debate. Thanks. That’s really helpful advice. I wish the Mod had said that rather than warning me. Eh, SkipMagic? ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/31 "2005-05-06T00:39:45Z")
I’d say can the pitting **guinnog** before you make a complete prat of yourself. You can start any discussion about the Holocaust in GD or the Pit without inapropriately posting in a long standing thread with a quite different purpose. Though, I’m affraid that since the thread you dumped in is resurected every year your name might be hard to clear of this stigma. ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/32 "2005-05-06T00:42:18Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > From [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6098403#post6098403) Thanks! I was not trying to offend anyone and I apologise if I did. I find these warfests a little bit ‘nice’ sometimes and I suppose I wanted to promote some debate about why we have these wars. I recognise that I did it in the wrong place and I will know better the next time. I repeat: if you want to have ‘nice’ threads, I think you should sticky it or show it in some other way. WW2 was not ‘nice’; I was talking to a guy in a pub the other night who fought in it. A RN submariner. He was telling me some awful stories. The link between wars, ancient, modern and future, was my point. We should never celebrate the losses of past generations without thinking of its relevance to the present, and how we can make a difference in preventing future death and suffering, was my point. If that is enough to get me warned by a Mod, rather than just telling me to take it to Great Debates, I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/33 "2005-05-06T00:44:37Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > I’d say can the pitting **guinnog** before you make a complete prat of yourself. You can start any discussion about the Holocaust in GD or the Pit without inapropriately posting in a long standing thread with a quite different purpose. Though, I’m affraid that since the thread you dumped in is resurected every year your name might be hard to clear of this stigma. I hope eventually that I can wear the ‘stigma’ with pride. If I can promote some honest debate about war, the ethics thereof, fight a little ignorance. My intentions are good, sorry if you misunderstand them. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/34 "2005-05-06T00:46:33Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > I repeat: if you want to have ‘nice’ threads, I think you should sticky it or show it in some other way. 1. Where in that thread does anyone say war is nice? Specific examples, please. 2. Over three hundred posts did not clue you in on what the topic was? 3. Just how did you suffer all that brain damage? ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/35 "2005-05-06T00:51:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. Where in that thread does anyone say war is nice? Specific examples, please. > > 2. Over three hundred posts did not clue you in on what the topic was? > > 3. Just how did you suffer all that brain damage? Your (2) is your answer to your (1). And some of the reaction I have had. For daring to say that we could have prevented some of the holocaust. If we had cared enough. Just like nowadays. (3) Aha! Now that would be telling… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/36 "2005-05-06T01:03:32Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > Thanks. That’s really helpful advice. I wish the Mod had said that rather than warning me. Eh, SkipMagic? > [@SkipMagic](#): > > Cool it, guinnog. > > In case you may not have noticed, this thread is a years-old tradition on the SDMB; I don’t want you popping in to start a debate about it. **If you absolutely feel it’s necessary to debate the posts within this thread, go to Great Debates and start a thread there with a link to this one.** > > Regardless of whether you choose to do that, your hijacking ends now. You’ve been warned. > > - SkipMagic _bolding added_ > [@guinnog](#): > > I hope eventually that I can wear the ‘stigma’ with pride. If I can promote some honest **debate** about war, the ethics thereof, fight a little ignorance. My intentions are good, sorry if you misunderstand them. _bolding added_ Hopefully, you now realize that the proper forum for that is **Great Debates** , not **Mindless Pointless Stuff I Must Share**. ---
**Author:** ![guinnog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@guinnog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guinnog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/37 "2005-05-06T01:09:52Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > _bolding added_ > > _bolding added_ > > Hopefully, you now realize that the proper forum for that is **Great Debates** , not **Mindless Pointless Stuff I Must Share**. Yes, as I said already, now I understand. I still think the Mod could have done it better. I still Pit your anger at my introducing reality into your war-worship. HTH ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/38 "2005-05-06T01:11:43Z")
**guinnog** , do you like your billygoats roasted on a spit, or raw? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/39 "2005-05-06T01:20:08Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > Yes, as I said already, now I understand. > > I still think the Mod could have done it better. > > I still Pit your anger at my introducing reality into your war-worship. > > HTH Yeah, they could have. But they’re human. It happens. Anyway, if you understand the situation now, you may want to request this thread be closed, lest it become a big pile-on. No harm, no foul. Just remember that aggressive debating is good, but keep it to Great Debates or the BBQ Pit. If you’re not in one of those forums, then it’s best to let stuff go or start a thread in one of those two forums. You’ll be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611/40 "2005-05-06T01:22:30Z")
> [@guinnog](#): > > I still think the Mod could have done it better. How, precisely? He told you what you were doing wrong, he told you how to do it correctly, and he told you not to do it again. And he didn’t even insult you in the process. What did you want him to do that he did not do? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-skipmagic-for-being-twee/302611.md?page=3)