# I pit society's complacent attitude towards Covid (tested positive a couple of days ago) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933 "2023-04-19T23:14:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/41 "2023-04-22T12:31:59Z")
You obviously did not follow the link. I accidentally mis-transcribed it. Go see for yourself, and let us know what you think. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/42 "2023-04-22T12:32:29Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Vaccines make you immune to a disease. That is the definition. Definitions don’t really solve arguments, but they’re often a good place to start. Here are the definitions of ‘vaccine’ from the first three online medical dictionaries that came up when I searched: > **[Definition of VACCINE](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine)** > > a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as… See the full definition > **[vaccine](https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/vaccine)** > > Definition of vaccine in the Medical Dictionary by The Free Dictionary > **[Vaccines - immunizations: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia](https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002024.htm)** > > Vaccines are used to boost your immune system and prevent the risk of infection and the severity of infections, including those that cause serious, life-threatening diseases. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/43 "2023-04-22T12:36:13Z")
Your second link is to a video with sound. It’s polite to warn people of that. Fortunately, my husband just got up, if I’d clicked it 10 minutes earlier he’d be really pissed at me. Anyway, no shit. People with comorbidities are more vulnerable to covid and to everything else. My mother had comorbidities. That’s why covid killed her, despite her having been vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/44 "2023-04-22T12:36:23Z")
And, the definition of “vaccine” was changed to fit Covid: > **[Experts say changes to CDC’s vaccination definition are normal](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061)** > > CLAIM: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has changed its definition of vaccination because COVID-19 vaccines are ineffective. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. And, > **[The experts had a rough year. We still have to trust them.](https://hotair.com/headlines/2021/03/22/experts-rough-year-still-trust-n376397)** > > As paradoxical as this advice may seem, one important step to regaining our footing is for ordinary citizens to stop constantly seeking information as if we were fish darting about in a tank that’s be... ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/45 "2023-04-22T12:36:49Z")
I think you’re a right-wing conservative idiot that desperately needs better sources of information because your mind has been poisoned. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/46 "2023-04-22T12:37:04Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > You’d be wrong. There’s a 100% chance they died of covid. Are you questioning the CDC Director Walensky? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/47 "2023-04-22T12:37:30Z")
No. Why would you think i was questioning her? We’re in the pit (checks to be sure). That’s an extraordinarily stupid question. It’s the sort of thing stupid people say, thinking they are scoring points while ignoring reality. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/48 "2023-04-22T12:40:27Z")
[https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-walensky-study-idUSL1N2TS0S2](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-walensky-study-idUSL1N2TS0S2) > [@](#): > > Missing context. The CDC’s Director Rochelle Walensky did not say that 75% of all COVID-19 deaths were among people with at least four risk factors. In comments around vaccine efficacy, Walensky said that a CDC study found that over 75% of deaths among fully vaccinated people were among those with at least four comorbidities. The actual quote: > [@](#): > > You know really important study if I may just summarize it. A study of 1.2 million people who were vaccinated between December and October and demonstrated that severe disease occurred in about 0.015% of the people who received their primary series and death in 0.003% of those people. The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with. And yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron A _very_ big difference from your flawed interpretation. But I get it. You cannot think for yourself so you’re parroting what you’ve heard from the right-wing outlets. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/49 "2023-04-22T12:42:36Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > No. Why would you think i was questioning her? Because, based on the science, the odds are extraordinarily against what you claim happened. I just don’t want you to falsely believe your loved ones died from something that they did not die from. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/50 "2023-04-22T12:43:08Z")
And hey, that describes my mom. She was vaccinated, but due to her comorbidities (she was profoundly immune deficient) the vaccine didn’t work and she died of covid anyway, at the peak of the omicron wave. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/51 "2023-04-22T12:43:29Z")
You’re an idiot. And rude. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/52 "2023-04-22T12:43:31Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > based on the science I don’t think science works the way you think it works. P.s. - I am a scientist. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/53 "2023-04-22T12:49:57Z")
I do concede that. Thank you for pointing that out. It’s a small point, though. It only shows that many people who were labelled as having died from Covid also had at least four other causes that they were also dying from - but they definitely died from Covid. Do you feel that I’m an idiot for not having taken the Covid shot, though, and do you feel that discussions around the whole subject should be stifled as they have? Edit: Spelling, and grammar, and context, and formatting. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/54 "2023-04-22T12:50:21Z")
But I didn’t cite the CDC definition, and – for example – the change to Merriam-Webster was far more subtle: > **[Fact check: Missing context in claim that Merriam-Webster changed 'vaccine'...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/30/fact-check-merriam-webster-changed-vaccine-definition-accuracy/6354415001/)** > > Merriam-Webster changed "immunity" to "immune response" in its definition of "vaccine" to be more scientifically accurate, the dictionary said. ETA: Personally, I don’t even think your AP article about the CDC definition supports your claim. What it _does_ show is that the definition has undergone subtle change over the last ~8yrs. That’s science. It doesn’t stand still. Smelling conspiracy there is a false positive 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/55 "2023-04-22T13:05:06Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > But I didn’t cite the CDC definition Why not? > [@](#): > > That’s science. It doesn’t stand still. So, the science isn’t settled, and should be questioned? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/56 "2023-04-22T13:08:39Z")
I cited the first three sources that came up on my search. Of course, science can be questioned, but … let me just quote Isaac Asimov: “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’” . –Isaac Asimov So, don’t presume that your question is inherently rational, thoughtful, logical, important, substantiated, or need be answered. What we’ve definitely learned time and again is that Asimov nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/57 "2023-04-22T13:12:10Z")
Fun Fact: Isaac Asimov actually died from HIV. He was erroneously given an HIV-infected blood transfusion during surgery. His family kept the cause of his death a secret, only until recently, out of fear of the stigma. Oh, I don’t assume any of that. That’s not science. But, between questioning something, and not being able to question something, I will always side with the option to question something, and against those who try to stifle that questioning. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/58 "2023-04-22T13:13:13Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Between questioning something, and not being able to question something, I will always side with the option to question something, and against those who try to stifle that questioning. Sure. But … to repeat myself: > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > So, don’t presume that your question is inherently rational, thoughtful, logical, important, substantiated, or need be answered. It may very well not be. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/59 "2023-04-22T13:14:40Z")
Sorry. I posted an edit while you were quoting me. Not intentional. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/60 "2023-04-22T13:14:55Z")
Another way to state my fundamental position would be… What we’re seeing in unprecedented numbers lately is people who, as an analogy, reject the theory of evolution because the fossil record is imperfect, but who then try desperately to convince you of the validity of Creation, a theory for which there is absolutely zero objective support. It’s just that A Book … A Single Work of Fiction … lays it out. Even if you question the credibility of the mainstream media, real science, or the Conventional Wisdom (and it’s reasonable to be skeptical), you can’t just make stuff up out of whole cloth. Remember: just because you DO believe it doesn’t mean it IS true, and just because you DON’T believe it doesn’t mean it’s NOT true. Put yet another way: ignoring science because it’s inherently imperfect is like being unwilling to aim or practice because your first shot didn’t hit the bullseye. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933.md?page=4)