# I pit society's complacent attitude towards Covid (tested positive a couple of days ago) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933 "2023-04-19T23:14:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/61 "2023-04-22T13:17:59Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Do you feel that I’m an idiot for not having taken the Covid shot, Unless you have an underlying allergy to vaccines, then yes. Definitely. > [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > though, and do you feel that discussions around the whole subject should be stifled as they have? That’s a pretty loaded question, so you know, nice try. Discussions on the whole subject, no, and they haven’t been stifled as evidenced by the rampant misinformation. I think that the blatant misinformation should be stifled. It has no particular value, and the people knowingly spreading it should be ashamed of themselves. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/62 "2023-04-22T13:19:17Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > That’s not science. You really need to stop using the word science. Everything your are espousing is the opposite of science. You cannot simply invoke “science” to support a nonsense opinion. Science doesn’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/63 "2023-04-22T13:22:16Z")
> [@](#): > > rampant misinformation. I think that the blatant misinformation should be stifled. [Joe Biden claiming in July 2021 that you will not contract Covid if you get the Covid shot.](https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/097/996/390/original/0a5c6cd4f5763296.png) [Rachel Maddow claiming the same.](https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/126/668/646/original/0eafe3164b8491ce.png) Edited to add quotation marks. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/64 "2023-04-22T13:26:21Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Because, based on the science, the odds are extraordinarily against what you claim happened. …just popping into the thread to say something really important. FUCK. YOU. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/65 "2023-04-22T13:26:26Z")
Yeah and? Biden shouldn’t have said that. Neither should Maddow. What’s your point? Was that your big gotcha? Were you expecting me to rush to the defense of misinformation because it came from Biden or Maddow? 🤣 You don’t know me very well, if that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/66 "2023-04-22T13:27:56Z")
Is that the rampant misinformation that you are railing against? Should they be silenced for stating such blatantly wrong information? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/67 "2023-04-22T13:28:32Z")
One more general, foundational thought here: > But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. –David Frum, former George W. Bush speechwriter And science, David. Don’t forget science. I’d argue that – as a general proposition (ie, whether _you_ watch Fox News or not) – this is painfully, powerfully, and destructively true. And those who have been “just asking questions” for the last eight years? Well, they’d do well to pay very close attention to what we learned from the Dominion lawsuit against Fox. Was that an isolated incident? I’d bet not. This matters. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/68 "2023-04-22T13:36:11Z")
Yes, on those specific points, absolutely. There should have been pushback on it and later clarification. I don’t know if there was or not, but there should have been if not. Again, are you expecting me to rush to the defense of misinformation because it came from Biden or Maddow? I understand that this is confusing for you because the right is so partisan they cannot understand that other people actually can think for themselves and have diverse views. 🤣 It was fact checked by AP and Snopes, which is a good thing. Biden did make a more correct statement later in that speech. Maddow isn’t a particularly good journalist, while still being leagues better than the all of the right-wing “journalists”. I don’t think people should be paying particular attention to her. > **[Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/)** > > Biden overstated the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccinations during a July 2021 town hall. > **[AP FACT CHECK: Biden goes too far in assurances on vaccines](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-46a270ce0f681caa7e4143e2ae9a0211)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden offered an absolute guarantee Wednesday that people who get their COVID-19 vaccines are completely protected from infection, sickness and death from the coronavirus. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/69 "2023-04-22T13:40:37Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > It’s a small point, though. It only shows that many people who were labelled as having died from Covid also had at least four other causes that they were also dying from - but they definitely died from Covid. So, you concede that my mother died of covid. Let me tell you what “dying of covid with comorbidities” actually looks like, at least in this one case. I suspect it’s fairly typical, however. My mother had myasthenia gravis. She had some other comorbidities (kidney disease, high blood pressure, moderate dementia) but the only one that really mattered for the covid infection was myasthenia. It’s an autoimmune disease where you make antibodies to a chemical that your nerves use to talk to your muscles. So when she had a major flare up, around 2002, she ended up in the intensive care unit on a respirator because she was so profoundly weak that she couldn’t breath. She was there for months, until she was finally diagnosed, but once diagnosed she was successfully treated by a combination of mechanically removing antibodies from her blood (by replacing her plasma, using the same machine they use for some blood donations) and by medically depressing her immune system. She’d been in remission for two decades. BUT, at the cost of a permanently depressed immune system. She took the same drugs that transplant patients take, for basically the same reason. When she caught covid, she was pretty healthy. She had an aide because of the dementia. Yes, she was old and frail and in decline, but she did the crossword puzzle over the phone with my brother every afternoon. She enjoyed food and company and TV. Her friends visited, she came my house for to meals, and we hosted Thanksgiving at her house. Then she caught covid. At first, it was just a cold. Then she briefly improved. But then the covid triggered her weakened immune system. Not enough that it killed the covid, but enough that she was mostly paralyzed. It also killed her brain. (Fun fact, covid directly attacks brain cells of it gets past your front line immune defenses.) She lost the ability to speak, declining overnight from moderate to profound dementia. Because she was paralyzed, we had to lift and turn her regularly, and every time we did that she looked terrified and cried out in pain when we handled her. Then the pneumonia kicked in, and she struggled to breathe. It was an ugly painful death. If she hadn’t had covid, she might have lived in decent health for months, or even a couple of years, and died quietly of a heart attack. So yes. She had several comorbidities. And yes, she died of covid. And yes, that was a bad thing, for her and for those who loved her. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/70 "2023-04-22T13:42:51Z")
I am very sorry for your mom’s death, by the way, lest that be lost in all of this right-wing idiocy. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/71 "2023-04-22T13:46:30Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Yeah and? Biden shouldn’t have said that. Neither should Maddow. Yeah, both the official messaging and a lot of the household have been terrible in the US. But to be fair to them, at the time Biden said that, it was an exaggeration, not grossly false. That was before the virus mutated, and at that moment in time, if you had been vaccinated and you had a healthy immune system, you were very unlikely to catch covid. Of course, the virus has mutated since then, and as a result the vaccine is less effective. It’s still an extremely safe way to train your immune system to protect you from covid. Very few people under 50 have died of covid since vaccination has been widely available. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/72 "2023-04-22T13:47:22Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I am very sorry for your mom’s death, by the way, lest that be lost in all of this right-wing idiocy. > > ☹ Thank you. It’s only been a little over a year, and I’m still pretty sore from it. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/73 "2023-04-22T14:10:41Z")
I’d be more than sore if someone presumed to tell me, _while I’m still grieving,_ that my mother didn’t die from what her cause of death was. And then told me they were doing me a favor because “I just thought you’d like to know what your mother really died from!” ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/74 "2023-04-22T14:15:04Z")
“Exaggerated” and “overstated”. Seriously. Those on the other side of the argument have been getting outright silenced for the same things. And, we knew of breakthrough cases by the time both of these statements were made. They were just not well known because those stating them were being censored. > [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > so partisan they cannot understand that other people actually can think for themselves and have diverse views. How ironic that you are saying that. > [@](#): > > It was fact checked by AP and Snopes, which is a good thing It sounds like this was the first time you were aware of these two stating this disinformation. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/75 "2023-04-22T14:15:44Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Those on the other side of the argument have been getting outright silenced for the same things. Example? > [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > It sounds like this was the first time you were aware of these two stating this disinformation. I don’t really follow the speeches of Biden that much, nor do I listen to Maddow. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/76 "2023-04-22T14:19:26Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > They were just not well known because those stating them were being censored. Nothing is actually being censored – not in any meaningful way or to any material degree. To give you one piece of evidence in support of that, I’ll wager that the overwhelming majority of people on this site alone are familiar with pretty much every single bullshit “contrary” argument on the subject of COVID. We’ve heard it all before. The fact that it ends up in the dustbin of erroneous history and debunked conspiracy theories isn’t at all tantamount to censorship. It’s just the marketplace of ideas at work. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/77 "2023-04-22T14:27:51Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > How ironic that you are saying that. No it only seems that way because you’re stupid and get all of your information from right-wing sources that you never ever question. That’s why you’ve been wrong on every subject you’ve discussed here since your return. And that’s why you’ll continue to be wrong until you decide “Everybody here is mean to me” and run off and sulk in some other corner of the internet. You won’t be missed. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/78 "2023-04-22T14:31:57Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > Vaccines make you immune to a disease. That is the definition. This is literally untrue: > **[Definition of VACCINE](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine)** > > a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as… See the full definition Stranger ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/79 "2023-04-22T14:39:12Z")
> [@Chicago\_Faucet](#): > > . They were just not well known because those stating them were being censored. Bullshit. There were published papers really available on the internet that provided data on that. That information was never censored. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933/80 "2023-04-22T14:40:18Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’d be more than sore if someone presumed to tell me, _while I’m still grieving,_ that my mother didn’t die from what her cause of death was. > And then told me they were doing me a favor because “I just thought you’d like to know what your mother really died from Oh hell yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-societys-complacent-attitude-towards-covid-tested-positive-a-couple-of-days-ago/982933.md?page=5)