# I pit sorority girls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538 "2005-10-03T06:13:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/41 "2005-10-06T18:53:14Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > While stereotypes are often inaccurate, people who join fraternities should expect that at some level there will be: > -alchohol > -drugs > -lound noises > -parties > -macho bullshit > -a messy house -trendily tattered Abercrombie & Fitch ballcaps, cocked slightly to one side -popped collars -A&F long sleeve button up (probably in some shade of blue) worn with khaki shorts -Dave Matthews 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/42 "2005-10-06T19:13:50Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Third mistake: You didn’t take the little trollops to a divey bar and get them all wasted drunk. That’s because there’s only like 4 bars in Davis. And those identical-looking asian sororiety girls look like they’re 12… ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/43 "2005-10-06T19:34:05Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Really? It’s only people rejected from fraternities who say this? Who knew? > > I’m sure you’ll be happy to back up that assertion with some evidence. What evidence shall I show you? Do you want to go with me and look up every kid I met in college who had a grudge against fraternities and poll them? To me, it seems like the same kind of mentality that people have who who hate high school jocks/cheerleaders, people with wealth and power or some stupid celebrity they never met. “Those losers in Delta house are just a bunch of followers who had to pay for their friends”. They don’t give a fuck what you think! They’re too busy playing beer pong until 2:00 am, doing bong hits and getting a blowjob in their room from some sorority girl! Sororities are, in fact, different from fraternities, for a number of subtle reasons. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > I’d say that immature, sexist, misogyny, irresponsible substance abuse and vanadalism is spot on. That’s a big selling point when you are an 18 year old freshman guy. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/44 "2005-10-06T19:46:26Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > That’s a big selling point when you are an 18 year old freshman guy. To some, and, thank god, not to all 18 year old guys. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/45 "2005-10-06T19:56:20Z")
> [@msmith](#): > > Because “paying for friends” is not a stereotype. It’s something losers say because they are pissed off about not getting in a fraternity. I don’t say it anymore, but when I did back in college, it was because a huge percentage of the frat guys I knew were loudmouth assholes. > [@Maus Magill](#): > > That’s right, because we’re all drunken slobs who end up wearing penny loafers because we’re too stupid to tie our shoes. > > TKE-BB-724 Oh, Jesus, TKE. TKEs were the worst. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/46 "2005-10-06T20:37:35Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I don’t say it anymore, but when I did back in college, it was because a huge percentage of the frat guys I knew were loudmouth assholes. I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t an environment that encouraged loudmouth assholism. A lot of guys also fall into Omega House category - elitist dickhead types. But I’m curious. How do you act with your friends when you all get together and drink? ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/47 "2005-10-07T00:17:25Z")
The “paying for friends” thing reminds me of an incident in college. I knew when I started college that joining a sorority was out of the question for financial reasons, and I had no problem with that - I wasn’t much of a “joiner” anyway. One of the girls on my floor in the dorm pledged a sorority and was just so happy - she put up with all the degrading bullshit the “sisters” visited on the “pledges” without a problem. If someone had come into my room and told me I was going to breakfast in my bathrobe, there would have been bloodshed. Then this girls father had some financial difficulties. The “trickle-down effect” of these difficulties was that the girl couldn’t afford the fees and all of the things the pledges had to pay for - gifts for “big sister”, sorority specific clothing, etc. Her dad told her she would have to drop out of the sorority. This girl was heartbroken. Not one of the girls in the sorority would speak to that girl after she was forced to drop out. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/48 "2005-10-07T01:28:51Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t an environment that encouraged loudmouth assholism. A lot of guys also fall into Omega House category - elitist dickhead types. > > But I’m curious. How do you act with your friends when you all get together and drink? We were (and are) unusually subdued, actually. Play some poker, watch some football, maybe sit in the corner of a bar and chat over a beer or three. Nonetheless, you’re point is well taken. Drunken college kids will tend toward obnoxiousness, frat or no. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/49 "2005-10-07T14:22:57Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Oh, Jesus, TKE. TKEs were the worst. TKEs are Geeks! TKEs are Geeks! Maybe there’s something to that, since I wasn’t the only one who collected comics and watched Star Trek: The Next Generation religiously. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/50 "2005-10-07T14:50:01Z")
**snakescatlady** --that seems about right. I know of a girl who quit her sorority because she couldn’t sit thru the meeting (conclave?) during Rush when these lovely standards of womanhood and intelligence made fun of the Rushees–including the one with the birth defect. This was at CU, Boulder. And then there is the woman I know, who is in her 40’s and still remembers fondly that the most fun she ever had in her sorority was “getting to decide who got in and who was the loser”. She went to Indiana U. Yes, the Pan-Hellenic system sure grows some fine people, I tells ya. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/51 "2005-10-07T17:25:53Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > **snakescatlady** > Yes, the Pan-Hellenic system sure grows some fine people, I tells ya. Go Greek: Raising the assholes of the future! ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/52 "2005-10-07T18:08:58Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Yes, the Pan-Hellenic system sure grows some fine people, I tells ya. Like every time you get a large group of young people together, you will get assholes and bitches. Often times they are the loudest and most visible members of that group. Look at the individual members of the group. Are they all like that? Most likely not. Hazing. When previous members of an organization have to endure hardships in order to join, they often feel if they had to do it, then those who follow should, too. Hazing is reprehensible. In all forms - whether it is in a fraternity or sorority, or it is a “necessary” part of joining a profession. In my opinion, forcing associate attorneys and interns to work 80-100 per week is hazing. My biggest beef with people who are vehemently anti-greek is my experiences having people look down their noses at me while telling me how elitist I am. As with all things: Get to know someone before you pass judgment on whether you like them. > [@CynicalGabe](#): > > Go Greek: Raising the assholes of the future! **Gabe** , that comment indicates you’re doing quite well on your own, without the benefit of having gone greek. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/53 "2005-10-07T18:33:03Z")
Hey kids, relax, chivalry is alive and well here at CU-Boulder thanks to the Greek system! [http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/10/06/news/c\_u\_and\_boulder/news1.txt](http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/10/06/news/c_u_and_boulder/news1.txt) Basically, last September 24th, 9 women all went to the hospital at the same time from two houses for “alcohol poisoning.” This is an incredibly high number, even for here at CU-Boulder. Apparently the old Sigma Pi Roofiecolada had something to do with it. I love Greeks. > [@Sigma Pi creed](#): > > Demeaning even one woman, let alone many, is absolutely asinine for a man. We know that each man understands the principles of chivalry, and we expect the conduct becoming a gentleman to be apparent in the daily actions from each of our members. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/54 "2005-10-07T18:53:22Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > **Gabe** , that comment indicates you’re doing quite well on your own, without the benefit of having gone greek. Thank you. I get that a lot. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/55 "2005-10-07T18:59:36Z")
Yeah threemae. That’s what we do. We all hold parties so we can slip GHB in everyones drink. I accidently slipped some in my own drink one time and let me tell you, man your ass is sore the next day. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/56 "2005-10-07T20:03:56Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Yeah threemae. That’s what we do. We all hold parties so we can slip GHB in everyones drink. I accidently slipped some in my own drink one time and let me tell you, man your ass is sore the next day. > :eek: I thought you frat boys get sore asses from the “elephant walk” ritual. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/57 "2005-10-07T20:11:06Z")
I also remember going to a frat party my junior year of college ( I wasn’t in a sorority, but the fraternity guys didn’t care) and having a 2.5 inch cockroach drop from the ceiling into my drink. That was the last party I attended in that house! ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/58 "2005-10-07T20:18:48Z")
**Maus** --I don’t tar all Greeks with this brush, I know several who are outstanding people–but I will say that they seem to be the exception, rather than the rule. And frankly, when what is seen is drunken, obnoxious behavior–that does become the image that defines the system, no matter how inaccurate. One would think that more would be done to clean up the image. I see nothing elitist in any of the posts that decry Greeks, either. There IS alot of looking down on others from Greeks to the great unwashed–but maybe times have changed since I went to college. I see no real point, in terms of personal growth or life skills for joining a house. I can understand wanting to make connections and also having a feeling of belonging. I see more reasons not to join, though. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/59 "2005-10-07T20:38:26Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Yeah threemae. That’s what we do. We all hold parties so we can slip GHB in everyones drink. Right, that’s what I said, and then I provided an article from my own humble college hometown of Boulder, Colorado where I demonstrated that claim to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Cemetery\_Savior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Cemetery\_Savior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cemetery_Savior)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538/60 "2005-10-07T20:40:59Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I see no real point, in terms of personal growth or life skills for joining a house. I can understand wanting to make connections and also having a feeling of belonging. > > I see more reasons not to join, though. Coming from one who was “Greek” (although it seemed that most of my fraternity were Chicago Irish), there are plenty of valuable things to learn from belonging to a fraternity, aside from the very real benefits of networking and having a tighter social circle. You learn to deal with maintenance issues on your fraternity house. For example, I learned drywalling, painting, framing, plumbing, and other valuable skills I doubt were taught in your dorm room. I also learned how to manage fairly large accounts for the house; I learned some rudimentary investment principles from trying to grow that money. Did we have large parties that exceeded control? Probably. Were we paragons of virtue who stopped girls who had been overserved? I won’t pretend we did, but I didn’t see any of the Lifetime-style rape scenes, either. As for decrying the “elitist” label, get off of the high horse and it will be easier. -Cem [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-sorority-girls/324538.md?page=4)