# I pit South Africa for doing a poor imitation of Buggs Bunny **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2009, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806 "2009-09-12T06:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/41 "2009-09-15T08:34:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The OP can get fucked. If he’d typed “I pit the South African government” or “I pit the South African Sports Minister”, I’d be right there with him. The whole thing is farcical. But he wants to pit the whole country? Fuck him. I doubt that he’d want to get fucked in South Africa, where nearly one out of five people have AIDS. The government’s reaction strikes me as a bit of a sad proxy for South African xenophobia, [denialism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism#Impact_in_South_Africa) and [frankly batshit insane](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=aids+baby+rape&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) beliefs where it comes to matters of sexuality. Ah, but I suppose it’s not polite to bring that up. That darned sports minister! ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/42 "2009-09-15T08:53:23Z")
\*\*Koxinga \*\*your location field is blank, but I’m betting that if you owned up to where you live I could come up with a good few ways to slander your entire country based on some prominent wackiness. Broad brushes are not usually helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/43 "2009-09-15T09:08:44Z")
OK, fair enough. I live in Taiwan, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/44 "2009-09-15T09:29:00Z")
If you are going to pit South Africa then do it for something worthwhile, like that ridiculous fucking accent! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/45 "2009-09-15T10:29:01Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > I doubt that he’d want to get fucked in South Africa, where nearly one out of five people have AIDS. The government’s reaction strikes me as a bit of a sad proxy for South African xenophobia, [denialism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism#Impact_in_South_Africa) and [frankly batshit insane](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=aids+baby+rape&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) beliefs where it comes to matters of sexuality All of which are Pitworthy in and of themselves, but on the other hand, hardly relevant to the topic at hand or worth condemning the country as an abstract whole. I mean, I hate the current US foreign adventurism, but you won’t see me condemning the entire country for it. > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If you are going to pit South Africa then do it for something worthwhile, like that ridiculous fucking accent! What accent? Mine is an RP/Estuary mix. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/46 "2009-09-15T11:31:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I dunno. AFAIK, if you have a vagina and no penis, that makes you female. I mean, if you’re looking for your absolute, bog standard definition of gender, isn’t that the gold standard? Dangly bits or no dangly bits? Well, I guess it’s more difficult than you’d think at first. My way of thinking was that the testes, whether sported internally or externally, gives the owner extra testosterone, which is the hormone that causes greater muscle growth. To compete against people who don’t have their own super-productive on-board testosterone factory seems to give the testes owner an unfair advantage. Regarding other posters and the semantic arguments they have put forth, this subject seems to require a level of verbal gymnastics that I haven’t prepared to perform. My only thoughts on the subject were in regards to how this situation affects woman’s competition and a level playing field. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/47 "2009-09-15T11:51:03Z")
The Seth Efrican accent is excellent, in my opinion. 🙂 My only comment that is vaguely on topic is, at least Julius Malema has stayed quiet on this matter so far (as far as I know…). ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/48 "2009-09-15T12:42:51Z")
> [@princhester](#): > > i’m \*nearly \*convinced by your impeccable logic and sharp rhetorical skills. I think in order for you to win me over to your point of view you just need to assert this point a few more times. Perhaps you should use all caps for the whole sentence instead of just the word “girl” and you could try a large font, perhaps in bright pink. That oughta do it. \*\* [size=“7”]she’s a girl![/size]\*\* Bugger it wouldn’t let me say it in all caps 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/49 "2009-09-15T13:17:07Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > seems to give the testes owner an unfair advantage. > > Regarding other posters and the semantic arguments they have put forth, this subject seems to require a level of verbal gymnastics that I haven’t prepared to perform. My only thoughts on the subject were in regards to how this situation affects woman’s competition and a level playing field. You are correct, it should be about fairness in competition. My heart just goes out to a ‘girl’ who always believed she is/was a female, who trained hard, who wanted to represent her country and do her best. She did that and now is finding out the most intensely personal SHOCKING (sorry Princhester…I did caps again) information about herself while the world is watching. Her record should absolutely stand. She went into this as a teenage girl wanting to do her best. She has left probably feeling like a freak of nature and trying to re-think her whole world. She clearly entered this competition with no intent of defrauding anyone and the person who lost the most is not the female who came second but Caster herself. What happens to her now? This is her talent. She can’t compete with women. Will male athletes accept her? Could she accept herself as a male athlete? Should she have to? Why do I even care?..it’s just sport. Adults playing stupid games. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/50 "2009-09-15T14:25:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The OP can get fucked. If he’d typed “I pit the South African government” or “I pit the South African Sports Minister”, I’d be right there with him. The whole thing is farcical. But he wants to pit the whole country? Fuck him. :rolleyes: What a persnickety, bitchy little whine. That time of the month? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/51 "2009-09-15T14:29:30Z")
I don’t understand the big hoo-rah over this. Even supposing she is genetically male, the tests demonstrated that her testosterone levels were below limits set for female competitors, right? And that being the case, she should be allowed to compete against other females, regardless of her genetics. From what I’ve read about this situation (which I admit probably isn’t much), they’ve chosen hormone levels, rather than the presence of a Y chromosome, as the limiting factor in determining whether someone can compete as a woman. And by that standard, she qualifies. If they want to change the rules now, so be it, but she’s been competing fairly under the standards as they’re set at present. So, the officials and rulemakers who are complaining about her can perch and rotate. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/52 "2009-09-15T14:37:53Z")
> [@calm\_kiwi](#): > > What happens to her now? This is her talent. She can’t compete with women. Will male athletes accept her? Could she accept herself as a male athlete? Should she have to? She may compete with men, but it would appear that she can not —Unless she shaves about ten seconds off her time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/53 "2009-09-15T15:16:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: What a persnickety, bitchy little whine. That time of the month? Menstruation insults - so classy! You must really wow the ladies :rolleyes: ! Well, that and your non-threatening lack of penis. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/54 "2009-09-15T15:41:23Z")
Maybe they ought to make a third category. Men Women Hermaphrodites ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/55 "2009-09-15T16:13:03Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > I don’t understand the big hoo-rah over this. Even supposing she is genetically male, the tests demonstrated that her testosterone levels were below limits set for female competitors, right? And that being the case, she should be allowed to compete against other females, regardless of her genetics. This is what I understood as well. At the recent competition, it was reported that she tested within acceptable ranges for testosterone in female athletes. Olympic policy allows trangendered individuals to compete in their preferred gender if they have undergone hormone therapy to make sure their hormone levels are where they should be according to the acceptable ranges. I also tend to think this is a tempest in a teapot. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/56 "2009-09-15T16:47:15Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > Maybe they ought to make a third category. > > Men > Women > Hermaphrodites She/he is _not_ a hermaphrodite. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_Lurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_Lurker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/57 "2009-09-15T18:14:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > She/he is _not_ a hermaphrodite. What are you trying to say by this? Not being snarky, I just don’t understand you and do not have a great deal of knowledge about the condition. Looking at this site: > **[Google for Health - What Is Google for Health?](https://health.google/)** > > Google for Health wants to help billions of people be healthier. Learn more about what Google for Health is and how we're aiding in healthcare advancements. I find this (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > The symptoms associated with intersex will depend on the underlying cause, but **may** include: > > ``` > * Ambiguous genitalia at birth > * Micropenis > * Clitoromegaly (an enlarged clitoris) > * Partial labial fusion > * Apparently undescended testes (which may turn out to be ovaries) in boys > ***Labial or inguinal (groin) masses -- which may turn out to be testes -- in girls** > * Hypospadias (the opening of the penis is somewhere other than at the tip; in females, the urethra [urine canal] opens into the vagina) > * Otherwise unusual appearing genitalia at birth > * Electrolyte abnormalities > * Delayed or absent puberty > * Unexpected changes at puberty > > ``` Edit: from the limited information, it sounds to me like: 46, XY Intersex as referenced in the above site. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/58 "2009-09-15T23:35:07Z")
> [@calm\_kiwi](#): > > She went into this as a teenage girl wanting to do her best. And the other GIRLS she was competing with? They are just girls wanting to do their best. How about them? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/59 "2009-09-16T05:26:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Menstruation insults - so classy! You must really wow the ladies :rolleyes: ! Well, that and your non-threatening lack of penis. Yawn. You simply must do better. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806/60 "2009-09-16T07:42:33Z")
14 hours and fake ennui is the best you could come up with? Forget micropenis, microbrain is more likely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-south-africa-for-doing-a-poor-imitation-of-buggs-bunny/509806.md?page=4)