# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/322 "2023-12-20T03:09:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Isn’t the guest of dishonor for this thread one of those JAQing off 9/11 truthers? Yes, and subscribes to Covid conspiracies, and believes Cosby was framed, and distrusts science in general. His insistence that we all need to panic over Biden’s polls makes me feel better about them. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/323 "2023-12-20T03:13:30Z")
Its one thing to believe in conspiracies, and anotherto defend someone like Cosby. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/324 "2023-12-20T03:34:25Z")
Antivaxx bullshit killed people. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/325 "2023-12-20T17:29:43Z")
I provided cites from MSNBC and the Chicago Sun-Times that show younger black people are not backing the Biden/Harris ticket. The polling backs this up as well, a huge portion of black people that voted for Biden/Harris in '16 are not going to show up in '24. Once again, that does not mean they are voting for Trump, but them not voting obviously helps Trump. You can all attack me if you want, I’m just letting you know why the polls look like this now. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/326 "2023-12-20T17:35:18Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I provided cites from MSNBC and the Chicago Sun-Times that show younger black people are not backing the Biden/Harris ticket. > > I’m just letting you know why the polls look like this now. I coulda swore the _why_ is what you were asked to cite, not the _what_. Your cites from MSNBC and the Chicago Sun-Times showed the _what_. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/327 "2023-12-20T17:36:59Z")
He’s making up just-so stories. > **[Just-so story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story)** > > In science and philosophy, a just-so story is an untestable narrative explanation for a cultural practice, a biological trait, or behavior of humans or other animals. The pejorative nature of the expression is an implicit criticism that reminds the listener of the fictional and unprovable nature of such an explanation. Such tales are common in folklore genres like mythology (where they are known as etiological myths – see etiology). A less pejorative term is a pourquoi story, which has been us Th... ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/328 "2023-12-20T17:41:47Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You can all attack me if you want, _I’m just letting you know why the polls look like this now._ Emphasis added. It’s this piece that’s unsupported by anything except your assurance that you alone on this board know what’s up. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/329 "2023-12-20T17:41:49Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You can all attack me if you want, Thanks, I think we will. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/330 "2023-12-20T17:51:07Z")
As I was saying, Jamaican’s don’t consider themselves to be black the way the US does… I’m not really understanding why people on this board don’t understand this. Black people in the US that are descended from American chattel slavery like me have no other country attached to them. We are not Jamaican, or Kenyan or Nigerian, we are just black. They do not identify with us and have a totally different agenda. White society in the US lumps them all in as black, as in descended from American chattel slavery but they don’t see themselves that way., and in that way they are correct, but there is a deep resentment between the groups. So yes, Harris is not seen to be black by actual black people. She is seen as mixed at best. That may not make a difference to white people, but it makes a huge difference in black people in the US that are descended from American chattel slavery. This is not a racist take, it’s just reality. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/331 "2023-12-20T17:54:36Z")
Fine, if that makes you feel better, but it doesn’t really change anything. There is no person around now that can deliver the black vote for Biden like there was in '16. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/332 "2023-12-20T17:58:07Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > White society in the US lumps them all in as black, as in descended from American chattel slavery but they don’t see themselves that way., and in that way they are correct, but there is a deep resentment between the groups. Black Jamaicans, for the most part, are descended from chattel slavery. Are you claiming that this ‘deep’ divide comes from the difference between ‘chattel slavery’ and ‘American chattel slavery’? If this is the case, I don’t believe you. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/333 "2023-12-20T18:02:57Z")
They are not descended from chattel slavery in the United States, and yes there was a difference that can still be seen today. As in them having their own country for example. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/334 "2023-12-20T18:04:58Z")
For what it’s worth, > A key aspect of New York Jamaicans’ own identity–and a source of pride and a sense of self-worth–is their feeling of superiority to black Americans. > **[Race and color: Jamaican migrants in London and New York City - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12267607/)** > > Race and color: Jamaican migrants in London and New York City ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/335 "2023-12-20T18:15:22Z")
This is what I’m trying to tell people, and this growing sentiment is not being picked up by mainstream media that I can cite here. I already cited Wikipedia, which people go to for information all the time as just another source among many and got banned from the thread. White people in the US want to put all black people into a box, I’m telling you it’s not like that. New black media is hitting this hard. So black people in the US descended from US chattel slavery are really nervous about this and are not going to back Biden/Harris the way things stand right now. The polls show this, no matter what you say or think about me. You can try to tell yourself the polls mean nothing, but that is just crazy to me. The people are speaking even if you chose to not hear. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/336 "2023-12-20T18:15:38Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > As I was saying, Jamaican’s don’t consider themselves to be black the way the US does… I’m not really understanding why people on this board don’t understand this. That wasn’t really the part I had an issue with. It was the ironic and insane bullshit that she is a racist because her mom is from India. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/337 "2023-12-20T18:18:30Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > White people in the US want to put all black people into a box Like you just did to white people?? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/338 "2023-12-20T18:24:26Z")
I said she is perceived as not black, and her parents are perceived as racists among black chattel slavery descendants. Her own prosecutorial record doesn’t help this perception. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/339 "2023-12-20T18:26:28Z")
I am commenting on white society in the US and there is no question that the society overall has put the black descendants of chattel slavery into a box. That’s what institutional racism is. The problem as is seen as the immigrants are keep up this policy. As I said they see themselves today as the Irish or the Italians of the past did. They think they will be seen as white if the attack the descendants of US chattel slavery. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/340 "2023-12-20T18:28:14Z")
Bullshit. You just attributed a thought to group of people based on the color of their skin. If that ain’t racism, I dunno what is. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/341 "2023-12-20T18:28:47Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I said she is perceived as not black, and her parents are perceived as racists among black chattel slavery descendants. It seems clear that this is _your_ racist opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=18)