# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/382 "2023-12-20T19:32:59Z")
“I do not believe that the former president will get 22 percent of the Black vote. I’d sooner believe he’d get 22 percent of the votes from pixies, elves, and the _Tuatha de Denaan._” - [Charlie Pierce](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Pierce) on political polls [source](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a45752839/trump-leading-biden-poll-numbers/) ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/383 "2023-12-20T19:34:55Z")
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/19/black-voters-democrat-biden-2024](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/19/black-voters-democrat-biden-2024) Attack me all you want, this is the mindset, it’s seen the resources are going to the immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/384 "2023-12-20T19:35:34Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Attack me all you want, I already said we will. You don’t need to ask twice. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/385 "2023-12-20T19:39:25Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > [‘2024 is not a repeat of 2020’: how the Biden campaign hopes to energize Black voters | Democrats | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/19/black-voters-democrat-biden-2024) > > Attack me all you want, this is the mindset, it’s seen the resources are going to the immigrants. Umm, can you qoute the part where they say that in your cite? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/386 "2023-12-20T19:41:04Z")
Yes, and you are attacking the messenger while ignoring the actual massage. Kind of like a child to me. As things stand now Biden will lose without black support. His black support is weak. Ignore my Wiki link, read some of my other links form normal sources. They all seem to be trying to figure out why. I’m telling you. When should we expect to see his black support improve? After Trump wins Iowa/ or maybe New Hampshire. No, no you say after, super Tuesday. Well,no maybe October? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/387 "2023-12-20T19:42:47Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Yes, and you are attacking the messenger while ignoring the actual massage As far as I can tell your message is (Not an actual quote) “I’m a racist who doesn’t know how to debate or cite.” Message received. Message Received. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/388 "2023-12-20T20:00:42Z")
I’m not understanding why you are giving me a hard time on this. You seem to understand the subtext. Of course mainstream media is going to sensor what is being said and I’m never going to be able to cite a word for word link here. I can’t believe we are getting caught up in this nuance here. But they are saying it by saying the government is not dealing with “black issues” which is a media term. We are thinking adults and I’m explaining here what some “black issues” are. My cites are backing me up without coming right out and saying what I’m saying word for word. Mainstream media has a similar hard time pinning down maga. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/389 "2023-12-20T20:03:59Z")
More to the point, maga and most of the black community are in lockstep over immigration. That’s what I’m saying and the polls back me up on this. If this board wants to dismiss that because of some of my other views, so be it. But the bottom line is the black vote cannot be counted on for this election like it was in others. I’ll remind you all the Biden was losing the freaking primary in '16 Jim Clyburn saved him. There is no one to do that now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/390 "2023-12-20T20:06:20Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Of course mainstream media is going to sensor what is being said and I’m never going to be able to cite a word for word link here. And this is the crux of it. You are a conspiracy theorist. That’s literally the only thing anyone needs to know about you. Everything you say is bullshit. You’re the Nazi at the synagogue who’s just trying to get people to understand why the Holocaust was necessary and you just don’t understand the hostility. A tiny part of me wants to say “bless your heart”, but really, just fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/391 "2023-12-20T20:07:28Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > My cites are backing me up without coming right out and saying what I’m saying word for word. No, they don’t (from the last ‘’‘cite’‘’), _affordable housing, healthcare costs and student loan debt_ _the ban on menthol cigarettes_ _the administration’s failure to decriminalize marijuana, take significant action on voters’ rights_ _not done anything to reform the police, including an inability to eliminate cash bail_ No matter how hard I try I can’t get immigration out of any of those. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/392 "2023-12-20T20:10:51Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Of course mainstream media is going to sensor what is being said 2 questions Why would MSM censor what is being said? Why would it be so obvious that you’d start with “Of course”? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/393 "2023-12-20T20:13:15Z")
Fuck you too if you think the message from the black community is not being censored right now. The dem’s are clearly tell us to line up and just vote for Biden/Harris. You will be responsible when the country is lost to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/394 "2023-12-20T20:13:24Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Why would it be so obvious that you’d start with “Of course”? When you’re a conspiracy theorist you always start with the premise that “they” are hiding the truth and proceed accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/395 "2023-12-20T20:14:41Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Fuck you too if you think the message from the black community is not being censored right now. “You don’t understand! **This** time the lizard people are real!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/396 "2023-12-20T20:14:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You’re the Nazi at the synagogue who’s just trying to get people to understand why the Holocaust was necessary and you just don’t understand the hostility. Or the Southerner claiming that the Confederates were simply defending themselves from an invasion rather that fighting to keep their way of life (i.e.: slaves) and you just don’t understand the hostility. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/397 "2023-12-20T20:23:07Z")
Well on the Dem side they are clearly being seen as wanting to not address “black issues” as they and put it as media puts it. Like reparations and such. This is seen as not some big “they” but a result of cooperate greed. That also explains why immigrants are being seen as brought into the country as to inject workers to decrease worker power. Especially in light of some of the new contracts. Which also kind of aligns with maga. But then I’m sure you already know this. The last article I linked goes into things like affordable housing ect. Which the media labels as “black issues”. Thier terms. So there is no nebulose they in this case. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/398 "2023-12-20T20:33:28Z")
The only problem with this reply as cute as it is here, is that the polls are showing it as well. It’s not me saying this. Biden has lost black support according to the polls, not me saying it. If we are no longer taking polls as a cite for an opinion, then what are we doing here? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/399 "2023-12-20T20:35:31Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Like reparations and such. This is soo funny since I’ve actually seen conservatives (ya know the folks that will run the country if Biden isn’t re-elected) support reparations . . . for the decendents of slave owners, since slaves got all that free room, board, health care, and the theft of their property. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/400 "2023-12-20T20:36:33Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > The only problem with this reply as cute as it is here, is that the polls are showing it as well. It’s not me saying this. No, as has been pointed out to you, and you’ve ignored because of “censorship” or whatever pathetic paranoid excuse you want to pull out of your ass, absolutely **none** of the claims you’ve made are reflected in the polls. I mean, you got kicked out of the P&E thread because of your bullshit. That should be a wake up call but of course you’ll just ignore it as you ignore everything else that doesn’t fit the conclusions you’ve previously drawn. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/401 "2023-12-20T20:39:31Z")
Reparations is not my thing, but I’m old as I’ve said. It’s more of a 30 something concern, I’m in my 50’s. But even the governor of New York has no been forced to at least [pay lip service](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/york-gov-kathy-hochul-signs-170237353.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall) to the idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=21)