# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/902 "2024-08-01T18:47:46Z")
_No I’m never gonna do it without the fez on, Oh no_ _Don’t make me make joinder with your corporation, Oh no_ _That’s what I am, Please understand_ _I wanna be your Moroccan Freeman on the Land_ ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/903 "2024-08-01T21:39:35Z")
I think I see the problem here. The goal is not to flip black people to Trump, he’s not really looking for black votes. He is trying to suppress the black male voter turnout. Specifically the 18 to about 35 demographic. The message is that the democratic party has done nothing for you. Here is a 415k+ subs younger black youtuber take. [Trump DESTROYS Black Women Journos at NABJ conference.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i05l56BESXQ&t=18s) Title is from his own posted video, not my words. This is how it’s being spun, but it’s just bots right? This point of view is suppressing a certain percentage of the black vote not that are going to Trump but just not going to vote at all thinking it won’t really have impact on their lives if Trump wins. I’m trying to sound an alarm here. Trump was advised to tap into this, but kind of messed it up in my opinion. But plenty of black youtubers are saying he won. I’ve linked to two already. I know this board doesn’t like it but very few young people engage on a board like this. So, you think you know everything but are missing the views of a decent percentage of the population. Kind of like you’re in a bubble. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/904 "2024-08-01T21:41:08Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > The message is that the democratic party has done nothing for you. That’s very different than “Harris is not really Black,” which is the MAGA argument you were alleging earlier would be effective. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/905 "2024-08-01T21:44:41Z")
No, it’s not, it’s the same message. “She’s not even black she won’t do anything for you”. Black in this message being a descendant of US chattel slavery. Or as the channels I link to say “FBA 100%.” That means Full Black American 100% descended from US slaves. It’s being projected in code. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/906 "2024-08-01T21:47:19Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > No, it’s not, it’s the same message. “She’s not even black she won’t do anything for you” I’m not following. If she’s not Black, she’s still a great candidate, and light years ahead of the opposition. Black men under 35 can (and probably often do) vote for politicians who are “not Black.” If Harris is not Black (she is), they could still vote for her. Unless “she won’t do anything to help you,” which is a very different message (and also not true). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/907 "2024-08-01T22:02:45Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > but it’s just bots right? Hey shit for brains? No one said “bots”. I pointed out that sub numbers are not necessarily reliable and I’ll point out that what every YouTuber (and the real thing YouTube) cares about is engagement. That is, at it’s simplest, of your subs how many actually watch your videos. (And that’s why buying subs is, in the end, a waste of money.) ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/908 "2024-08-01T22:06:54Z")
This is totally logical, but we are beyond that. Some percentage of the black population in the US doesn’t see her as black. As in she and generations of her family never dealt with the struggles and could always claim Indian heritage if things got really rough. They agree that white society in the US labels her as non-white. But they do not see her as black. The fact that she is being pushed as black turns off a percentage of the black male population who now will just not vote. Trump is trying to tap into that. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/909 "2024-08-01T22:09:25Z")
Today I learned that we don’t have many young people on this board. Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/910 "2024-08-01T22:12:28Z")
Here is a good argument why Kamala Harris may struggle to get votes from Black men. [https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4800764-symbolism-wont-persuade-black-men-to-vote-for-harris-heres-what-will/](https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4800764-symbolism-wont-persuade-black-men-to-vote-for-harris-heres-what-will/) But you might be shocked to know that it’s not because they’re racists like Trump that deny that she’s Black. There are more substantive reasons for it. There’s info in there that Trump could have used if he and his handlers had more skill. He sort of touched on it by talking about immigration, but he even fucked that up as usual. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/911 "2024-08-01T22:14:08Z")
No fuck you. You are trying to backpedal things here. You asked for some kind of cite and I refused at first. When I provided a link to a 100k+ sub channel one you went right into saying it must be bots. I then brought up other channels that are regularly linked here with no one claiming their subs are mostly bots. Now I’m linking to 400k+ to over 1M+ sub channels, and you are trying to walk it back. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/912 "2024-08-01T22:15:18Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > When I provided a link to a 100k+ sub channel one you went right into saying it must be bots. Quote me. Wait, I’m forgetting you don’t do cites… ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/913 "2024-08-01T22:16:14Z")
I said Trump fucked it up, I said in the thread that I understood what he was trying to do but he fucked it up. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/914 "2024-08-01T22:16:39Z")
Angering many Black women (who will then vote) to appeal to some Black men (who will then continue to not vote) does not seem like a winning strategy. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/915 "2024-08-01T22:19:12Z")
I do cites, look at my 9’/11 posts. Cites everywhere on my posts in those threads. Do I cite for disingenuous assholes like you? Usually not, it’s too much work. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/916 "2024-08-01T22:23:05Z")
Cool! I’ll do it for you! > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > > > You can scoff at 140k subs > > You know you can buy subs correct? What you really should look at is the views to subs ratio. In the last year he rarely breaks 50k views. Now, if you’d be so kind and point out where I said “bots”? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/917 "2024-08-01T22:23:30Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Angering many Black women (who will then vote) to appeal to some Black men (who will then continue to not vote) does not seem like a winning strategy. Depends on what the margin already is between the two groups and how much more vote is there to be gained. Also, for Trump, anyone who might have gone Harris and stays home is a net gain. In addition, the eligible black women population is about 6% of the nation. Which of course is not evenly distributed. So what really matters is how many of those women who weren’t already going to vote but now might are in a swing state with a large enough percentage of the population. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/918 "2024-08-01T22:24:10Z")
Black women were never going to vote for Trump on any real level, and Trump has no chance of winning the black vote overall, but that is not the point. Harris has that in the bag, that is her base, just as white males are Trumps base. The problem is neither one can win with just their base, Trump is being advised to suppress a percentage of the black vote, namely 18–35-year-old black men, with certain talking points. I know this board doesn’t like videos but maybe it’s time to move into 2024. Just like at the title of the video, he’s saying Trump destroyed, as you are all saying he lost and looked horrible and out of touch. If you don’t think that sways a percentage of 18–35-year-olds I don’t know what else I can say. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/919 "2024-08-01T22:39:26Z")
Yes, and some percentage of 18-35 black males are probably just going to not show up, and this could make the difference in the swing states. They are being targeted on social media to be apathic, using long existing issues within the black community as leverage. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/920 "2024-08-01T22:42:54Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Yes, and some percentage of 18-35 black males are probably just going to not show up The $64 question, of course, is whether the inflammatory stuff Trump said yesterday motivates _even more_ black women, and age 35+ black men, to turn out and vote for Harris, versus the number of 18-34 black men that he might have managed to ensure wouldn’t show up (many of whom were probably going to sit it out anyway, prior to what happened yesterday). ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/921 "2024-08-01T22:48:36Z")
It’s unknown what the actual numbers are, and 18-35 is just my estimate. I’m much older so I could be wrong on that, it could go up to 40 or 45. I would basically say that any black male that is tuned into social media as their primary source of information. It’s a generational thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=47)