# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/942 "2024-08-01T23:50:07Z")
There are plenty of huge youtubers that do not take your advertising dollars you fucking hack, you have no say in the new media. Don’t try to pretend that you are some kind of authority now. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/943 "2024-08-01T23:52:15Z")
You’re not even impressed that I learned how to play Zelda? Damn ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/944 "2024-08-01T23:54:03Z")
Well, I don’t know an advertising hack that is trying to exploit the new media when most youtubers I watch are independently funded and don’t take advertising dollars? Or an industry hack of old media that has all the research polls and is part of the reason why we got Trump in the first place. Really hard choice, guys like him are done and he knows it. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/945 "2024-08-01T23:56:07Z")
The things you don’t know- How mentally ill you are how to make a decent argurment how to find and post a good cite I could go on ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/946 "2024-08-02T00:00:16Z")
No [Edward Bernays](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays) fucks like him are part of the problem. They were being bypassed in the new media, but now him and his ilk are claiming they are kind of authority. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/947 "2024-08-02T00:02:42Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > No [Edward Bernays](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays) fucks like him are part of the problem. But, to be fair, his sauce is amazing! ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/948 "2024-08-02T00:05:12Z")
Yes, keep joking, but it’s people like this that have screwed us all. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/949 "2024-08-02T00:07:14Z")
Alot of political youtube is not funded by advertisement directly, some are funded by paterons exclusively. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/950 "2024-08-02T00:07:17Z")
BTW, Edward Louis Bernays (November 22, **1891** − March 9, **1995** ) but I’m sure that his death in the same year Windows fucking 95 was put out in no way hampered his attempts to be a part of ‘’‘the new media’‘’! ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/951 "2024-08-02T00:08:16Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Don’t try to pretend that you are some kind of authority now. Fine, then let me do something novel for you, and provide cites: > [@](#): > > The number of people who have subscribed to your channel might indicate how popular it is. However, you should pay attention to the ratio of YouTube views to subscribers. **Make certain that your followers are watching your videos.** (emphasis mine; [source](https://www.realsubscribers.com/blogs/youtube-likes-vs-views.html)) > [@](#): > > Views are the main deciding factor in how much money you can make on YouTube. If your channel is monetized through YouTube Ads, the more views you get to your videos, the more revenue you generate (if the CPM is constant across your channel). > > The same can be said for other ways of monetizing your YouTube channel, like through Affiliate marketing, or brand deals. If you get more views on your videos, then you’ll most likely get more clicks on your affiliate links, increasing your revenue. > > The more views your videos receive on average, the higher you can charge brands for sponsored posts (or you can receive more if the sponsored video performs well if your deal is based on how many views the post receives in a certain time period). ([source](https://tuberinsights.com/views-or-subscribers-on-youtube-which-is-better/)) > [@](#): > > Views from a purely monetary aspect are more important than subscribers because you earn money for views. And if you’re after money, you certainly want to have more views because they’re more important. > [@](#): > > Over the long-term, you want to gain more subscribers **and have a consistently high number of views.** (emphasis mine; [source](https://viralyft.com/blog/youtube-views-vs-subscribers-vs-likes)) And, for what it’s worth, Pit or no, one of the two of us has not resorted to name-calling and insults in this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/952 "2024-08-02T00:09:01Z")
Yes no shit, I’m saying that one poster that proudly proclaimed he was an advertiser is a hack in the mold of Bernays. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/953 "2024-08-02T00:11:42Z")
You are talking about monetization, I’m not, so I stand by calling you an advertising hack. Of course you see it from the money side, looking for any angle to exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/954 "2024-08-02T00:15:12Z")
Still not sure why anyone is bothering. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/955 "2024-08-02T00:15:26Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You are talking about monetization, I’m not, so I stand by calling you an advertising hack. The point is still the same: subscribers **alone** are a lousy measure of the impact of a YouTuber. Generating money, or just getting their message out there, all **also** require a content creator to actually generate **views** of their videos. Saying, “this guy is influential, he has 1 million subscribers” may or may not actually be true; without knowing what kind of views he’s generating, he may be hugely influential, or he may have bought his subscribers to game YouTube’s algorithm. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/956 "2024-08-02T00:16:41Z")
I think split p j is probably right when he says the “not really Black” angle is a conscious effort to drive down enthusiasm among Black voters. They did the same stuff with Obama, and look how that turned out. At least in the parts of the Black community I’m exposed to, though, such attacks are pretty universally recognized as racist attempts to divide the community. I think he’s overestimating how effective that line is likely to be, particularly with younger people. I can see how the sort of Black people who are willing to advise Trump might think it’s a winner, though. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/957 "2024-08-02T00:19:25Z")
Ennui. And the lack of a decent, instant, Bernays sauce mix… Sure, I could get the instant Hollandaise and add my own tarragon, but where’s the fun in that? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/958 "2024-08-02T00:21:18Z")
YouTube is not measured that way; some creators are putting out multiple long form videos every day. It goes by subscribers. Tick-tock is measured by views of individual videos. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/959 "2024-08-02T00:22:00Z")
OK, George. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/960 "2024-08-02T00:24:43Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > It goes by subscribers. What goes by subs? YouTube sure as fuck does not care about how many subs you have if their eyeballs are not there to watch the fucking ads that are the entire point of the platform as far as Google is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/961 "2024-08-02T00:26:42Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > YouTube is not measured that way; some creators are putting out multiple long form videos every day. It goes by subscribers. For purposes of this point you keep trying to make, “how YouTube measures it” isn’t really relevant. You’re trying to make the point of “this guy is influential,” but “influential” comes down to “how many people actually see his videos.” That’s views. If you’ve got 1 million subscribers, but only 1000 of them actually watch your stuff, are you, in fact, influential? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=49)