# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1042 "2024-08-03T21:32:22Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Well, there was the time when PJ said that women who get drunk deserve rape. No, he didn’t say that. Much ink was spilled pointing out how he thinks women shouldn’t accept a drink or pill, but he never explicitly said anyone deserved to be raped. He denied the premise that Bill Cosby had slipped drugs in without consent of his victims, he speculated that the women wanted sex, and he probably used the outdated definition of rape which requires overcoming the victim’s will. However he _was_ a major asshole to **not\_what\_you\_d\_expect** , who had shared her personal experience with a rapist. > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Not good enough if you were an adult woman. It’s your body your choice right? You made a choice to have that first drink. You don’t get to say it was the second one that did you in 40 years later. We don’t owe it to you to say “ok if you say so, it must be true.” Major asshole as in, if this had happened in a face-to-face context, you are no longer on speaking terms with anybody within earshot. Someone tells you how they were raped, and your response is “not good enough”? It doesn’t matter if you _thought_ you were discussing what it takes to prove rape in a courtroom. I don’t think **split\_p\_j** has ever acknowledged how much of an asshole he was, let alone apologize to her. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1043 "2024-08-03T21:32:56Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > The Trump campaign is almost certainly assuming the numbers will be the same as '20 and the polls kind of back that up. Is this thing on? > [@I Pit Split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1000): > > The other baseline numbers are shifting under Trump’s feet – that is, Harris’ and Trump’s coalitions are realigning somewhat. In the balance, it seems acceptable for Harris to not get some percentage of Black male voters that were more or less ungettable from jump (e.g. followers of conservative Black YouTubers). Meanwhile, Trump is losing from another assumed-safe cohort per [The New Republic](https://newrepublic.com/post/184335/trump-picked-jd-vance-fear-support-white-men): Former President Donald Trump has a serious problem with white men: They don’t want to vote for hi… ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1044 "2024-08-03T21:33:12Z")
Here we go, I never said that there were no dark-skinned black women in AKA during Harris’s time, so the picture doesn’t really mean anything. Things were slowly changing in the '80’s and '90’s as i said. You are of course being disingenuous here. I can put up a picture of my black grandfather with white men in the US Army during WW2 and say see, it was all good. That’s basically what you are trying to do here. I’m talking about the mindset of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1045 "2024-08-03T21:35:33Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > No, he didn’t say that. Much ink was spilled pointing out how he thinks women shouldn’t accept a drink or pill, but he never explicitly said anyone deserved to be raped. He said it was their choice to get drunk. He put the blame on the victim. You’re splitting hairs and missing the point. This is you not understanding humans again, Max. > [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t think **split\_p\_j** has ever acknowledged how much of an asshole he was, let alone apologize to her. I agree with you here for certain. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1046 "2024-08-03T21:39:12Z")
I guess we will see. I’m not really sure how this invalidates anything I’ve been saying. Everyone here was asking why Trump would do this, I explained why. If the Trump campaign is wrong, then so what? How does that reflect on me and what I’ve been saying ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1047 "2024-08-03T21:43:19Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You already claim to know that there is a bias within the black community for mixed black people that have lighter skin and softer West African features. Bwahahaha, you mean stereotypical white features, treasured because of the insidious effects of white supremacy, gained by having at least of act of rape by a slave owner in your genetics right? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1048 "2024-08-03T21:44:43Z")
Going further in the pic from '86 I see 3 or 4 women that would have been considered dark-skinned at the time. I know it’s painful, but that is the way it was. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1049 "2024-08-03T21:45:44Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I can put up a picture of my black grandfather with white men in the US Army during WW2 and say see, it was all good. I rather doubt that this is a like-to-like comparison. The NBC 4 article and video is more compelling than the photos. Harris’ sorority sisters didn’t have to follow up with her years later – if her dark-skinned sorority sisters were tokens or somehow segregated from the full AKA experience back in the 1980s, it beggars belief that they’d be supporting Harris publicly 30-something years later. Much easier to just not make the trip to DC. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1050 "2024-08-03T21:45:48Z")
Look I get it’s gotta be rough being a conservative Black man, but that doesn’t mean you put on the Uncle Ruckus act to impress the White conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1051 "2024-08-03T21:52:06Z")
No, I meant West African features, diluted a bit by Eruopean features. Like I’ve been saying the whole time. I’m a full Black American, descended directly from West African slaves. I have dark skin and no European features and I’m sure if I did a genealogy test there would be 0 Eruopean genes in me. Contrary to what this board is trying to tell people. There are millions of people like me in the US. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1052 "2024-08-03T21:54:07Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Look I get it’s gotta be rough being a conservative Black man, but that doesn’t mean you put on the Uncle Ruckus act to impress the White conservatives. Nah, he doesn’t have the guts to actually be “Uncle Ruckus”. He’s stuck resorting to pretending to know “Uncle Ruckus” and posting those opinions as ‘Guys? I’m really concerned’ trolling. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1053 "2024-08-03T21:54:11Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m sure if I did a genealogy test there would be 0 Eruopean genes in me. You’re “sure”. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1054 "2024-08-03T21:54:27Z")
I’m not conservative and I’m not sure why you would think I am. I do consider other points of view though, and try to understand. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1055 "2024-08-03T21:57:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > > > I’m sure if I did a genealogy test there would be 0 Eruopean genes in me. > > You’re “sure”. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! To be fair; if I did a genealogy test there would be 0 Eruopean genes in me despite knowing, roughly, when my great grand dad left Germany. Low hanging fruit tastes better because it’s less work to get it. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1056 "2024-08-03T22:00:18Z")
What is so funny about that statement? I’m sure I have no European ancestry. I look exactly like some other African immigrants I’ve met depending on where they are from in Africa. Like I don’t look Nigerian as an example. Not all of us are mixed with Europeans like this board is trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1057 "2024-08-03T22:01:13Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Going further in the pic from '86 I see 3 or 4 women that would have been considered dark-skinned at the time. We can work this out for ourselves. Especially in the clearer 2021 photo. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1058 "2024-08-03T22:03:55Z")
But the '21 pic is irrelevant, the attitudes had changed by then, as I’ve said, and just a hot tip for you some black peoples skin gets darker with age. So yes in '21 it wasn’t a thing for the AKA’s to allow darker sink women in, and some of the women in the '86 photo were the ones that helped change that. You understand that right? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1059 "2024-08-03T22:06:26Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > What is so funny about that statement? I’m sure I have no European ancestry. I look exactly like some other African immigrants I’ve met depending on where they are from in Africa. > > Like I don’t look Nigerian as an example. > > Not all of us are mixed with Europeans like this board is trying to say. It’s funny because there’s no “look” for having 5%, or 10%, or probably even 20% European ancestry. Just like there’s no “look” for having that same % of African ancestry. I look like a light-skinned white guy with dark blonde hair. By my appearance no would would ever presume I had any non-white ancestry. But I did a genetic ancestry test and have about 5% West African ancestry. My dad looks like a white guy with dark brown hair. He has a higher % of West African ancestry than I do (approximately double, but I don’t remember the exact #). Your feelings about your appearance have very little to do with your actual genetic ancestry. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1060 "2024-08-03T22:08:49Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > You are of course being disingenuous here. I can put up a picture of my black grandfather with white men in the US Army during WW2 and say see, it was all good. Why gosh, sure, as long as you leave out the fact that your black grandfather wasn’t in the same unit as the white men (unless they were high ranking officers in the unit), ignore the fact that the military was segregated, and the fact that the unit your grandfather was assigned to had the word (colored) after its name in its title, as in 92nd Infantry Division (colored). Aside from that your comparison is spot on. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1061 "2024-08-03T22:10:56Z")
If your entire ancestral tree goes back to West Africa, except for just _one_ of your 32 great-great-great grandparents from 1900, that’s 3%, low enough for any given dominant phenotype to almost certainly disappear. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=54)