# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1082 "2024-08-03T22:50:38Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m letting you and this board know that there are plenty of descendants of US slavery that are still 100% West African genes. > > Or damn close to it. > > When this board was said to say we are all mixed, I’m letting you we are not. Umm, that “Or damn close to it.” part? That means, BY FUCKING DEFINITON, that you are mixed. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1083 "2024-08-03T22:55:46Z")
One or two percent is not mixed, and I’d be surprised if it’s even that high for most of us. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1084 "2024-08-03T23:01:24Z")
This is a feelings statement about your feelings and based on feelings, not facts. You’re entitled to your feelings, and we’re entitled to mock you for your crankery and ridiculousness. If you have a factual assertion to make about genetics, let’s see a factual citation. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1085 "2024-08-03T23:01:41Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Remember, I was alive back then, even Public Enemy, one of the biggest hip-hop groups at the time spoke about the Zeta’s and the AKA’s. > > The book I linked to explains the origins, so yes they were defiantly limiting dark skinned women from joining. > > It started changing during that time, as I said. 1. Most of us, including yours truly, were alive back then as well. I remember the Public Enemy song, and its lyrics had nothing whatsoever to do with intraracial issues within Black Greek organizations. Your Public Enemy reference doesn’t buttress any of your previous points in the thread. 2. The book you linked … are you speaking of the same book from the 1950s you’ve referenced elsewhere? That book couldn’t have had much to say about the internal social dynamics of Howard’s 1986 AKA pledge group. 3. I can accept that even Harris’ 1986 pledge class, there were issues between individual sisters at times and that some of those issues could have been rooted in intraracial bigotry. My doubt is that those particular issues were so baked into the social fabric of Howard’s 1986 AKA chapter that long-lasting social repercussions have persisted that could and should fairly be held against AKA (and Harris?) today. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1086 "2024-08-03T23:03:13Z")
> **[The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans...](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/)** > > Over the past 500 years, North America has been the site of ongoing mixing of Native Americans, European settlers, and Africans (brought largely by the trans-Atlantic slave trade), shaping the early history of what became the United States. We... > The mean ancestry proportion of 23andMe self-reported African Americans is about 73%. A small fraction, about 2%, of African Americans carry less than 2% African ancestry, which is far less than typically seen in most African Americans (Figure S18A available online). ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1087 "2024-08-03T23:12:53Z")
The song on the album is referencing the so called “high standards”, in other words European features, for the looks of the women in the sororities, but it is mocking it as several songs on that album do as well. It was subtle, but you have to remember that Chuck D and Flavor were just coming up back then. They were saying that normally the Zeta’s, Delta’s and AKA’s would have dissed them prior to them becoming somewhat known. You are not taking it the context of the time. You almost certainly did not understand the message of the song if you think they were praising those sororities at that time. That original message still hits with young black people today. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1088 "2024-08-03T23:17:00Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > in other words European features Umm, surely you meant [“West African features, diluted a bit by Eruopean features”](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1051?), correct? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1089 "2024-08-03T23:22:12Z")
Well no, those sororities would have been mostly mixed up until around that time, with the lightest skinned women getting preference. So, they were thinking of 50/50 mixed at least with a strong bias to Eruopean features. In 85 when the songs were written. This mind set extended to the rise of the hip-hop videos into the '90’s with the main girl always being light skinned mixed Eruopean. The TV show Living Single dealt with this a bit as well. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1090 "2024-08-03T23:29:20Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > The song on the album is referencing the so called “high standards”, in other words European features, for the looks of the women in the sororities, but it is mocking it as several songs on that album do as well. > > It was subtle, but you have to remember that Chuck D and Flavor were just coming up back then. > > They were saying that normally the Zeta’s, Delta’s and AKA’s would have dissed them prior to them becoming somewhat known. You are not taking it the context of the time. Is the PE song you’re referencing “Raise The Roof”? If so, none of that is in the lyrics. If you’re talking about another song, please share the title. > by [**split\_p\_j**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1087): > You almost certainly did not understand the message of the song if you think they were praising those sororities at that time. Please quote where I said I thought PE was praising those sororities. If you willfully misrepresent what people say, they’re going to fairly take issue. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1091 "2024-08-03T23:29:55Z")
So millions of people as I said. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1092 "2024-08-03T23:35:22Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I guess we will see. I’m not really sure how this invalidates anything I’ve been saying. > > Everyone here was asking why Trump would do this, I explained why. If the Trump campaign is wrong, then so what? > > **How does that reflect on me and what I’ve been saying** (my emphasis) It was to demonstrate that because of changes in Trump’s coalition (_viz_ **[losing a percentage of White male votes](https://newrepublic.com/post/184335/trump-picked-jd-vance-fear-support-white-men)**), Harris’ chances of election don’t rest on the cohort of young Black males that are receptive to Trump’s oblique message. Most especially if those young Black males are already following Black conservative YouTubers right now. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1093 "2024-08-03T23:45:25Z")
You said[quote=“bordelond, post:1085, topic:941620, full:true”] [/quote] 1. Most of us, including yours truly, were alive back then as well. I remember the Public Enemy song, and its lyrics had nothing whatsoever to do with intraracial issues within Black Greek organizations. Your Public Enemy reference doesn’t buttress any of your previous points in the thread. Yes, Raise the Roof is part of it but would say the song “She Watch Cannel Zero” directly addresses this. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1094 "2024-08-03T23:47:25Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Come on, this board has systematically been banning members with a differing opinion for years now. I think you are forgetting what I said, I’ve been here for years. Come on, disingenuous posters have been playing the “You’re all against me because I dare to challenge the hivemind” card for years now, because it’s either pretend everyone is against you or admit that the reason everyone is against you is because you’re spectacularly wrong about so many things. Which you ought to be aware of, given that you’ve been here for years. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1095 "2024-08-03T23:48:43Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Yes, Raise the Roof is part of it but would say the song “She Watch Cannel Zero” directly addresses this. Could please quote the lyrics that address intraracial issues within Black Greek organizations in either of those songs??? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1096 "2024-08-03T23:49:32Z")
I messed up the quote direct to you, but Raise the Roof was saying that now that they were getting famous, they could get the Zeta’s Delta’s and AKA’s. Channel zero is the reality though, they were the real mean that tried to approach and got dissed like a roach. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1097 "2024-08-03T23:51:41Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I messed up the quote but Raise the Roof was saying that now that they were getting famous the could get the Zeta’s Delta’s and AKA’s. _In school I’m cool throughout the week_ _When the weekend comes, I’m down with the Greeks_ _Frat brothers known across the seven seas_ _Fly ladies of the 80’s, sororities_ _The Zetas, Deltas, the AKA’s_ _Women that keep me in a daze_ _The A Phi A, Sigma boys on the move_ _With the Kappas and the Q’s, and of course the Grooves_ Yes, I can certainly see how you get that from those lyrics . . . it required an ice pick and a spoon but I totally see it now. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1098 "2024-08-03T23:58:38Z")
I know exactly what the lyrics say but like I said its subtle. They were not going to come out in 1986 saying fuck the AKA’s. You are taking it out of context 40 years later and see P.E. as they are now. When he says fly ladies, he is talking specifically about how they selected the women. It’s a sarcastic critique. The rest of the album makes it clear. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1099 "2024-08-04T00:01:23Z")
Le sigh, looks like we’ve got another _infer_ vs _imply_ type situation. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1100 "2024-08-04T00:03:21Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > When he says fly ladies, he is talking specifically about how they selected the women. It’s a sarcastic critique. And here I thought he was talking about stewardesses! ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1101 "2024-08-04T00:07:50Z")
[Pam Keith](https://ballotpedia.org/Pam_Keith) went into detail on the AKA’s and other sororities once again on the Progress Channel on Sirius. She is on at about 53 minutes into the Dean Obeidallah show if anyone is interested to hear for themselves that it’s not just me saying this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=56)