# I Pit Split\_p\_j **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620 "2021-05-07T22:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1242 "2024-08-05T23:56:03Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > So now MSNBC is not good enough … Not even remotely what I wrote. I simply pointed out that MSNBC was not the source of the polling numbers they cited. That’s totally fine, and common in the media. EDIT: Additionally – I didn’t dismiss your cite. Why did you think I did? Instead, I want to include it (and Howard’s if I can get get some info on their polling methodology) into something more comprehensive, drawing from multiple pollsters. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1243 "2024-08-05T23:56:10Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > That’s why you were asking what is going on. Have you ever taken a reading comprehension test? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1244 "2024-08-05T23:57:45Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > > > So now MSNBC is not good enough … > > Not even remotely what I wrote. Asked and answered Crow, asked and answered… ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1245 "2024-08-06T00:05:07Z")
I think you can understand why I’m a bit defensive here, I’m in the pit. I’m not trying to just defend the latest thread I was banned from; I’m defending a point of view that while not my own, I have been talking about for over a year. Defending myself against accusations of being a troll and a racist. I finally provide a cite from fucking MSNBC, that backs up things I’ve said over a year ago. and it’s instantly called into question by you. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1246 "2024-08-06T00:08:09Z")
I know this make you think you are clever, but I will let people read and comprehend your quote for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1247 "2024-08-06T00:11:14Z")
And by the way there are a few posters on that thread that totally understand what I was saying, and also make valid criticism of me. You are just trying to pile on. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1248 "2024-08-06T00:13:43Z")
All said I hope that I am wrong, but Harris cannot win with the number of 81% of the Black American vote. She needs it to be 90%+ and she needs every other voting bloc in addition on top of that to win. It could be difficult. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1249 "2024-08-06T00:22:20Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I know this make you think you are clever, but I will let people read and comprehend your quote for themselves. You’re… gonna trust the opinions of the people that want you banned as to who’s interpretation of my post (and how could I possibly know what I meant!) is correct??? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1250 "2024-08-06T00:24:10Z")
He doesn’t get it, and I’m trying to explain. At least he is acknowledging the facts and is trying to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1251 "2024-08-06T00:28:47Z")
I still read the threads I can’t post in, even if they don’t follow me to the pit. At this point of course most posters are not going to come here, especially new ones. One did and was instantly treated to my posts on Cosby taken out of context even though the poster thought I made intelligent points on the conference thread. But you know this that is why you pile on. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1252 "2024-08-06T00:33:20Z")
And to be fair, you are all saying now the polls don’t matter. When I was making my points over a year ago, all I heard was cite the polls, or that the polls don’t say that. i even said they were not polling Black Americans back then. But now that they are, three months away from the election, now it’s we’ll just have to see what happens. Just because those polls are not going the way the board thought they would. You see how full of shit this board is? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1253 "2024-08-06T00:44:06Z")
Unless a poll is specifically planned to only study a single demographic, the sample sizes for groups-within-groups are likely to be so small that the margin of error would be huge. That’s why focusing on the crosstabs for broad polls, much less a single poll, is a fool’s errand. And one reason you’re treated with extreme skepticism is because of your history of crankery. Cosby and 9/11 trutherism are as nuts as flat earth and creationism. Another reason is that you made wildly certain claims about the future, like Harris can’t win, without evidence, and then immediately walked it back a few days later. When you’re that wishy washy about your own certain claims, why should we treat them as anything other than silliness? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1254 "2024-08-06T00:51:09Z")
Yes, now the polls are the problem, and I can’t change my mind on her chances after seeing the support for Harris. I think she moved from having no chance to having a chance to win. I thought Biden could win. I just linked todays MSNBC poll directly to a moderator in an old thread. I suspect you will all get your wish soon, if you can quote me out of context so can I do the same to you. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1255 "2024-08-06T00:54:34Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I suspect you will all get your wish soon Hey! No fair! You can’t help us try to get you banned! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1256 "2024-08-06T00:56:42Z")
Still punching away, I see. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1257 "2024-08-06T00:59:27Z")
I went directly at a mod, asking for a cite in a post from 8 months ago, and admitted I could not provide one at that time. I just provided my MSNBC link. I’m done here, but it shows how any post can be taken out of context, and I’m tired of being on the bubble anytime I post. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1258 "2024-08-06T00:59:43Z")
Of course you can change your mind. But the ease in which you changed your mind should have told you that being certain about something doesn’t mean shit. Your certainty doesn’t mean shit. All you’ve done is made a hypothesis. Big fucking deal. A hypothesis from a crank on the internet is more common than leaves in the forest. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1259 "2024-08-06T01:02:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Still punching away, I see. Is punching yourself punching away or punching towards? I can never remember… ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1260 "2024-08-06T01:02:52Z")
But I’m not just a crank, the polls are backing me up. I didn’t just make it up. Biden was down to 73%, Harris has only made up 8 points of that. We are talking about a demographic that was traditionally well over 90% Democratic. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620/1261 "2024-08-06T01:06:38Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > But I’m not just a crank, Yes, yes you are. Your posts are my cite. > [@](#): > > the polls are backing me up. No they aren’t. You just have a really weird interpretation of the polls. > [@](#): > > I didn’t just make it up. Maybe you did. Maybe you heard it from another crank. Does it matter? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-split-p-j/941620.md?page=64)