# I pit teenage baby shooters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695 "2013-03-22T23:48:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/81 "2013-03-26T20:51:32Z")
Apparently the ‘alleged’ shooter’s mother and aunt have been arrested now for “false statements or writing”. Who’s gonna guess they lied to the police about their son/nephew’s whereabouts? I’m just shocked over how stupid everyone in that family is. I’m beginning to think the baby’s mother might be right in saying he needs to die. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/82 "2013-03-26T22:12:03Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > But mental health issues can be addressed by mental health treatment, which we do a piss poor job of in this country. Exactly…we are wasting time and effort on gun bans when using the time and effort to address Mental Health issues would do a better job of curtailing crime with guns. I thought I made that obvious. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/83 "2013-03-26T23:31:20Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Exactly…we are wasting time and effort on gun bans when using the time and effort to address Mental Health issues would do a better job of curtailing crime with guns. I thought I made that obvious. You certainly do in this post. I think that there should be single payer health care in this country that includes mental health care. In addition to that, I also think that the system should flag all people with potentially violent mental health problems. Those people should not be legally allowed to own guns, and should have to surrender their guns upon such a diagnosis, summarily, and if they can prove they are fit, to get them back. This isn’t going to catch people who won’t go to doctors, which are a lot, but it would probably have got all, or nearly all, the mass shooters of the past few decades. ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/84 "2013-03-27T04:18:28Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > When they have an eyewitness who places the shooters’ age range within junior high years, why not? You seem to think that they just made a blind assumption and it paid off. Remember, there was a direct eyewitness. I understand all of that. It’s just difficult to explain. Maybe it’s my age, but when/where I grew up, teenage killers weren’t so common that homicide detectives had the JUNIOR FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL on speed dial. I get the deductive reasoning behind it all, it’s perfectly rational. It just makes me despair a bit for our country that the reasoning needs to exist. Your mileage may vary. You (apparently) see it as a sort of isolated incident. I see it as a more symptomatic issue. BTW, a few days ago two kids stole something like 17 guns, drove from Oklahoma to Texas and tried to do a home invasion. The home owner shot at them and they were either killed by the home owner, or ran off and took their own lives. To me, more symptoms. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/85 "2013-03-27T06:02:56Z")
I’m… not sure how this particular set of circumstances imply that teenage killers are common, or that they had any school “on speed dial.” They had a physical description that included age. They checked school attendance records at at least one school that educated kids of that age. They came up with suspects. Nothing in the OP’s article implies that anything else was done, or that the investigators had somehow done this before. I’m just bewildered at some of the assumptions you’re making, and that you’re upset that “the reasoning needs to exist.” What do you think is the minimum age to commit a crime? When do you think that age was established, or got moved? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/86 "2013-03-27T21:19:17Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You certainly do in this post. > > I think that there should be single payer health care in this country that includes mental health care. In addition to that, I also think that the system should flag all people with potentially violent mental health problems. Those people should not be legally allowed to own guns, and should have to surrender their guns upon such a diagnosis, summarily, and if they can prove they are fit, to get them back. This isn’t going to catch people who won’t go to doctors, which are a lot, but it would probably have got all, or nearly all, the mass shooters of the past few decades. I think I can get behind that…some medical providers do have mental health coverages in place already, my provider (HealthNet) has up to 40 visits per year at a $40 copay. Not the worst (none), but not the best (I believe there is better out there), but school psychologists should have better access to the students and be able to have more power to identify and address the needs of the school populace…that would go a long way towards stemming issues that children experience and can’t resolve as they grow older until they explode in emotion/violence. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/87 "2013-03-29T06:03:40Z")
> [@Becky2844](#): > > **Rachellelogram** , **kambuckta** speaks the truth. It ain’t over till the laws have changed. If you grow weary and give up, the bad guys win. Or maybe you are the bad guy. > [@Becky2844](#): > > Nope, **PlainJain** , everything doesn’t automatically become all sweetness and light. But we can make it harder for them. What’s the alternative? Licensing and registration. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > However, if laws are changed to make guns less easily available, then bad people will have less access to guns, and crimes like this will occur less frequently. > > But that’s probably a little too nuanced for you. There are 350 million guns out there. You havent thought this through unless you intend to repeal the second amendment and start confiscating firearms. You are simply wrong. Felons have no legal access to firearms so changing the laws to reduce acess does nothing for access for felons. There are 350 MILLIoN guns in America. A criminal’s acess to firearms has nothing to do with a law abiding citizen’s access to firearms. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They don’t get guns if they are few in number. But then that would be an anathema to you and yours. > > “No guns? Then how would we protect ourselves against criminals with guns?” > > That this does not sound stupid to you is just sad. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Virtually all of these gun deaths, particularly the mass shootings, are the result of untreated and undertreated mental illness. And let’s make sure that mentally ill people don’t have access to guns. If we do that, we might make some headway with insane people open firing in schools, theaters, post offices, fast food franchises etc. What percentage of the 12k gun murdersevery year is the result of a mentally disturbed shooter? > [@Tamerlane](#): > > That ship sailed in United States a long, long time ago. Guns will essentially never be in short supply here, not if you somehow cut world production today and didn’t produce another firearm for 50 years. It really doesn’t matter what side of the gun debate you’re on - if the goal is to reduce availability of privately held hardware to negligible levels in U.S. society, that is a war that is already lost and politically an utter waste of resources. It will never, ever happen. > > More licensing and thorough registration ( for the law abiding )? More required training ( for the law abiding )? Minor restrictions on types and models ( a la “assault weapon bans” for the law abiding )? All potentially possible with the right political environment. > > Bans/confiscations on paper? Exceedingly unlikely. _Effective_ bans/confiscations? Utterly impossible. +1 > [@diggerwam](#): > > Liability insurance for anyone who owns gun. Might make people more likely to store in gun safe and less likely to loan a gun to someone. Haven’t really heard pros-cons debated about that. turns out its a stupid idea. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Like I said, if you make it to his place, all of your questions will be answered. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly If the ultra liberals had to choose between gun nuts and religiois fanatics, they would probably learn to live with guns. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695/88 "2013-03-29T21:36:32Z")
^^^ Oh well. That would be a choice that they would have to take responsibility for whether they like it or not. God bless you always!!! Holly [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-teenage-baby-shooters/653695.md?page=4)