# I Pit Terr and all the other insolent morons at SDMB **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233 "2013-08-14T17:38:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/61 "2013-09-01T08:51:45Z")
If anyone needed further evidence of the depraved depths of GOP malice, we see it in recent news. We’ve got right-wing blowhards chastising Obama for planning war without Congressional approval. (The **Brickhead** himself, frontrunner for Snidest Blowhard at SDMB, even started a thread accusing the President of hypocrisy.) But OTOH, other right-wing blowhards tack the other way and [chastise Obama for seeking Congressional approval](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/319801-peter-king-obama-abdicating-responsibility-as-commander-in-chief). Predictable. But outdoing himself for stupidity is SDMB’s very own **Terr** > [@Obama passing the ball to Congress for now - predictions?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-passing-the-ball-to-congress-for-now-predictions/667710/1): > > 1. If Congress votes it down and Obama still orders an attack on Syria, I think all hell breaks loose. I would expect a vote on articles of impeachment in the House, probably passing, then the spectacle of impeachment proceedings in the Senate. An enormous distraction - again, would not bode well for the rest of his term. > > Again, if only political considerations were taken into account, I really don’t see how Republicans can justify voting for the attack - either in the House or in the Senate. When the opponent sets himself up for a huge hit, you oblige. In a single post we see that the guy really is a clinical imbecile (in what alternate world would Obama ask for permission and then act without it?) and that, like so many anti-Americans of his peculiar stench, hypocrisy is almost a byword: He expects GOP Congressmen to vote, not according to America’s interests, but whichever way is best for embarrassing the black-skinned President. Upthread I apologized for Pitting this imbecile – several Dopers are even stupider. I retract the apology. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/62 "2013-09-01T13:00:47Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The **Brickhead** himself, frontrunner for Snidest Blowhard at SDMB, even started a thread accusing the President of hypocrisy. I’m not sure you read my thread, if that was your take-away. In that thread, I argue that Obama is correct, today, to that extent he argues that he has the legal power to order a Syrian attack without Congressional approval. I acknowledge that this is inconsistent with his position in 2007. But since he’s right now, and wrong then, I said: > [@Domestic law, international law, Syria, and us](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/domestic-law-international-law-syria-and-us/667432/45): > > Terr, I suspect you’re wanting to punish Obama, rhetorically, at least, for the claim he made in 2007 being so far apart from his apparent position now. > > And i don’t agree with that impulse. I do agree that Obama was wrong in 2007, but i think he’s right now. And I think we should make it “inexpensive,” for lack of a better word, for a politician to change his mind from wrong to right. That is, there’s little value in demanding he hew to a position that was wrong. > > Right? Can you explain how that thread is fairly described as “accusing the President of hypocrisy?” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/63 "2013-09-01T13:44:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Can you explain how that thread is fairly described as “accusing the President of hypocrisy?” If accusing him of contradicting himself isn’t an accusation of hypocrisy, perhaps we’re using different dictionaries. If you had wanted to speak complimentarily about the President you could have done so easily. Instead you were your usual snide self, trying to get his goat on a Gotcha. We will stipulate, Counselor, that you have a 20-point IQ advantage over **Terr** and his ilk, and that you use that advantage in your smug presentations, always preserving deniability. But even when agreeing with Obama you have to yank his chain like a loathsome GOP partisan. BTW, did you ever decide how you feel about Karl Rove and his tactics? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/64 "2013-09-01T14:01:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If accusing him of contradicting himself isn’t an accusation of hypocrisy, perhaps we’re using different dictionaries. **Bricker** “accused” him of correcting an error. That’s not hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/65 "2013-09-01T14:15:31Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If accusing him of contradicting himself isn’t an accusation of hypocrisy, perhaps we’re using different dictionaries. I think we are. Hypocrisy [means](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy?show=0&t=1378044164): “feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not…” It is not simply changing of position. A person who holds a position in good faith, and then learns additional facts or arguments which support a change in that position, is not a hypocrite for changing his mind. Hypocrisy requires the feigning of a good-faith belief, or the adoption of simultaneous contradictory positions such that, in good faith, both cannot be correct. I’ve linked to my dictionary. Since you suggested that your view of the word was also dictionary-based, can you link to the dictionary definition that supports your view that hypocrisy is simply contradicting oneself? And if, as you say, that’s all that’s needed, would you say Obama is a hypocrite for his position on same-sex marriage? I wouldn’t – in my view Obama held a position in good faith, and then was exposed to new arguments and facts, and _changed his position._ That is, by my dictionary, not hypocrisy. For the matter, Obama’s 2007 words about Presidential attack authority do directly contradict recent suggestions that he has the unilateral authority to bomb Syria. I can’t imagine you dispute that. So is Obama a hypocrite? No, says my dictionary, _he changed his mind_. Where’s yours – what does it say? ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/66 "2013-09-01T14:25:20Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Cat Whisperer, how you’ve managed to never have heard of \*\*Terr \*\*before, I cannot explain. But I am infinitely jealous of you. > > This pitting of Terr is extremely weak, but he 100% deserves it. And the comment about him being demonstrably wrong and stupid in every post he makes is spot on. I’ve never heard of him either. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/67 "2013-09-01T14:45:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not…” My objection was to the snide way you presented Obama’s change of mind. Answer the question about Karl Rove. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/68 "2013-09-01T14:57:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > My objection was to the snide way you presented Obama’s change of mind. It was? Let’s see: > [@septimus](#): > > If anyone needed further evidence of the depraved depths of GOP malice, we see it in recent news. We’ve got right-wing blowhards chastising Obama for planning war without Congressional approval. (The **Brickhead** himself, frontrunner for Snidest Blowhard at SDMB, even started a thread accusing the President of hypocrisy.) No. Although you do mention “snide,” you clearly say that I started a thread accusing the President of hypocrisy. So “snide” may have been the objection in your mind, but the one you typed out in your post was “hypocrisy.” > [@](#): > > Answer the question about Karl Rove. I never liked any Rove tactics that involved dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/69 "2013-09-01T15:01:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > My objection was to the snide way you presented Obama’s change of mind. Ferchrissakes, if there’s any snidery in there, it’s mighty faint, and it’s in the service of a bigger point. People are allowed to dislike the president, and they’re even allowed to get snide about it, if they want. **Bricker’s** overall point–even if I disagree with it–isn’t at all snide, nor is it an accusation of hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/70 "2013-09-01T15:30:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Where’s yours – what does it say? He’s using that special loony lefty dictionary where the definition changes however much is needed to make someone on the right wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/71 "2013-09-01T15:34:48Z")
So they right the wrongs to wrong the right? Wrong! Right? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/72 "2013-09-01T15:43:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > My objection was to the snide way you presented Obama’s change of mind. Can you quote the part that set off your snidometer? ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233/73 "2013-09-03T06:34:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > \ > > Upthread I apologized for Pitting this imbecile – several Dopers are even stupider. I retract the apology. Do you know what’s even more stupid? Getting yourself so wound up about the words of a stanger on a computer screen you then spend hours writing a rant, then engage in hours more checking, checking, checking to see what other people have responded with, and then spending more hours responding to that. Just because of something you saw on a computer screen. That, right there, is a special kind of stupid. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-terr-and-all-the-other-insolent-morons-at-sdmb/666233.md?page=3)