# I pit the asshole Orthodox Jews who let little kids get molested and the perps go free. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404 "2012-06-17T05:30:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/1 "2012-06-17T05:30:00Z")
Story [here](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/in-largest-ultra-orthodox-jewish-community-in-nyc-sex-abuse-victims-dont-often-come-forward/2012/06/10/gJQAZCAeSV_story.html). Abuse goes hush-hush in the Orthodox community because they’d rather not turn it over to secular authorities. Conservatives pretend to be scared of ‘sharia law’ but we have some twisted 21st C. perverted versions of ‘Torah law’ going on right here. None of it is in the Torah, of course. > [@](#): > > NEW YORK — The abuse went on for nearly three years before the schoolgirl told anyone that her spiritual adviser was molesting her while he was supposed to be mentoring her about her religion, authorities said. > > But in Brooklyn’s ultra-orthodox Jewish community, 53-year-old Nechemya Weberman has been embraced and defended as wrongly accused. The girl has been called a slut and a troublemaker, her family threatened and spat at on the street. > > The rallying around Weberman, who goes on trial this month, and ostracizing of his accuser and her family reflects long-held beliefs in this insular community that problems should be dealt with from within and that elders have far more authority than the young. It also brought to light allegations that the district attorney was too cozy with powerful rabbis, a charge he vehemently denies. Fucking _assholes_. It’s not all Orthodox Jews that I’m pitting - it’s the ones that enable this shit to go on. > [@](#): > > \*\*Weberman has pleaded not guilty, and articles in Hasidic newspapers have proclaimed his innocence and begged the community for support. More than 1,000 men showed up for a fundraiser aiming to raise $500,000 for his legal fees and, if he’s convicted and jailed, money for his family. > \*\* FUCK YOU. לך תזדיין‎ ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/2 "2012-06-17T05:36:47Z")
Religious communities that discourage oversight from secular authorities hide evidence of sexual abuse of children. News at 11. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/3 "2012-06-17T05:47:54Z")
I think we did this [about a month ago](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651362). ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/4 "2012-06-17T12:54:42Z")
This, and the issues in the Catholic church (and even, it could be argued, the Sandusky thing) are perfect examples of why letting religious communities police themselves is a horrible idea. The concerns of Important People within the community will always take precedence over those of the common people. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/5 "2012-06-17T13:14:16Z")
Ed Koch wrote a good pice on this. I’ll try and find a link. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/6 "2012-06-17T13:17:05Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Ed Koch wrote a good pice on this. I’ll try and find a link. [Is this it?](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-koch/child-abuse-in-the-ultrao_b_1515683.html) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/7 "2012-06-17T13:41:44Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > This, and the issues in the Catholic church (and even, it could be argued, the Sandusky thing) are perfect examples of why letting religious communities police themselves is a horrible idea. The concerns of Important People within the community will always take precedence over those of the common people. I’m not under any impression that we let these people police themselves. They are just doing it on their own. It’s really hard to police a group of people who voluntarily won’t tell other people about their problems. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/8 "2012-06-17T13:50:50Z")
I know accusations of sexual wrong-doing are potentially damaging to someone and shouldn’t be levied casually, especially since they are often so hard to prove. But come on now. There’s a difference between taking a neutral stance until an investigation is finished and having a ticker-tape parade to rally behind the accused. Unless you have 24/7 surveillance footage of a person, you don’t know what they do or have done behind closed doors. Every person is capable of molestation and rape–_especially_ people in power. If you throw your support behind someone who is charged with a crime you have no way of knowing that they did or not, don’t you look a little crazy when all the evidence rolls in? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/9 "2012-06-17T14:02:34Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m not under any impression that we let these people police themselves. They are just doing it on their own. It’s really hard to police a group of people who voluntarily won’t tell other people about their problems. Of course . . . this just made me think of a recent thread (can’t quite find it) where someone was advocating that we allow religions to enforce their own marriage/divorce “laws”. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/10 "2012-06-17T14:03:01Z")
Did you see where the Brooklyn DA is cozy with the communities? He wouldn’t even publish the names of the accused or the convicted. It’s really no secret that the Hasidim prefer to keep their dirty business so locked tight that they let criminals go unpunished. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/11 "2012-06-17T16:14:40Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Of course . . . this just made me think of a recent thread (can’t quite find it) where someone was advocating that we allow religions to enforce their own marriage/divorce “laws”. I remember that thread. The proposal was even dumber than you stated. It was to have _civil_ courts enforce the _religious_ marriage/divorce “laws”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/12 "2012-06-17T19:50:18Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > I remember that thread. The proposal was even dumber than you stated. It was to have _civil_ courts enforce the _religious_ marriage/divorce “laws”. The religious court went a lot easier on me than the civil one. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/13 "2012-06-17T20:47:56Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The religious court went a lot easier on me than the civil one. 🙂 Great for you. Would you want the county Sheriff enforcing a judgment (with the power to throw you in jail, because you didn’t kiss the pastor’s ass) on you if the decision had gone the other way? I wouldn’t, especially if I had already decided that the pastor in question was _religiously_ ‘full of shit’, but I have to abide by his decision, anyway, under force of law, enforced by the local Sheriff’s office, and the local court, for his religious judgment, just because I _once_ accepted him as a religious authority. The proposal presupposes that you are _not_ allowed to change your mind on religion. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/14 "2012-06-17T21:06:33Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Great for you. Would you want the county Sheriff enforcing a judgment (with the power to throw you in jail, because you didn’t kiss the pastor’s ass) on you if the decision had gone the other way? I’m thinking it’s a good thing for the Bet Din (however you spell it) to take care of the Religious stuff and Pulaski County to take care of the legal stuff, even if the Pu Co judge screwed me. Sorry if humor overcame my explanation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/15 "2012-06-17T21:59:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’m thinking it’s a good thing for the Bet Din (however you spell it) to take care of the Religious stuff and Pulaski County to take care of the legal stuff, even if the Pu Co judge screwed me. > Sorry if humor overcame my explanation. 🙂 Not a problem. On the contrary, it’s exactly my point. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/16 "2012-06-17T22:11:35Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Of course . . . this just made me think of a recent thread (can’t quite find it) where someone was advocating that we allow religions to enforce their own marriage/divorce “laws”. Which is sadly what’s happening in Britain right now/ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/17 "2012-06-17T22:12:07Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Not a problem. On the contrary, it’s exactly my point. 😉 All a Jewish Religious court does in a divorce is assure that everyone’s name is spelled right, and everyone knows that she is religiously divorced. She can’t remarry without one, but I can, because Jewish guys can technically have more than one wife. They didn’t tell me about this when I signed up, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/18 "2012-06-17T22:13:17Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > This, and the issues in the Catholic church (and even, it could be argued, the Sandusky thing) are perfect examples of why letting religious communities police themselves is a horrible idea. The concerns of Important People within the community will always take precedence over those of the common people. I can’t think of any community where that isn’t true, including the larger secular community. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/19 "2012-06-17T23:31:00Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > I can’t think of any community where that isn’t true, including the larger secular community. I.e., “snitches get stitches.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/20 "2012-06-17T23:53:28Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > …They didn’t tell me about this when I signed up, dammit. You sign up? I thought you had to have part of your Romney sliced off. If you quit, do you get it back? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404.md?page=2)