# I pit the asshole Orthodox Jews who let little kids get molested and the perps go free. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404 "2012-06-17T05:30:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/21 "2012-06-18T04:07:33Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > I remember that thread. The proposal was even dumber than you stated. It was to have _civil_ courts enforce the _religious_ marriage/divorce “laws”. No, it was to have civil courts handle family law issues in accordance with religious law as long as both parties agreed to it. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/22 "2012-06-18T12:20:02Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Is this it?](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-koch/child-abuse-in-the-ultrao_b_1515683.html) Yes. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/23 "2012-06-18T12:40:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You sign up? I thought you had to have part of your Romney sliced off. If you quit, do you get it back? A hole poked, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/24 "2012-06-18T21:03:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You sign up? I thought you had to have part of your Romney sliced off. If you quit, do you get it back? This is why I like my religion. You can do whatever you want with your Obama. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/25 "2012-06-18T21:28:17Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > I can’t think of any community where that isn’t true, including the larger secular community. Whistleblowers? > [@Qin Shi Huangdi](#): > > Which is sadly what’s happening in Britain right now/ Not in any meaningful sense. When two parties have a legal dispute, they have the option of having it heard in a secular court or a religious court ([_beth din_ courts have been in operation for over one hundred years](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Contemporary_practice)). If either party disagrees, it goes to secular court. No imposition of religious morality even on the religious adherents. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/26 "2012-06-18T22:00:42Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Whistleblowers? > > Not in any meaningful sense. When two parties have a legal dispute, they have the option of having it heard in a secular court or a religious court ([_beth din_ courts have been in operation for over one hundred years](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Contemporary_practice)). If either party disagrees, it goes to secular court. No imposition of religious morality even on the religious adherents. Which is such bullshit, because in these religious communities, weaker people don’t have the option of “disagreeing” with stronger ones. An unpopular Jewish guy whose kid gets molested by a rabbi can go to the government, or a Muslim woman can report her husband for beating her…if they want to be exiled from the only lives they’ve ever known in retribution, if not worse. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/27 "2012-06-18T22:17:56Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Which is such bullshit, because in these religious communities, weaker people don’t have the option of “disagreeing” with stronger ones. An unpopular Jewish guy whose kid gets molested by a rabbi can go to the government, or a Muslim woman can report her husband for beating her…if they want to be exiled from the only lives they’ve ever known in retribution, if not worse. I tend to agree, but what would you do to solve the problem? After all, if you ban the use of religious courts altogether, and force everyone into the secular courts, it still doesn’t stop the community for shunning someone, or otherwise exacting some sort of social retribution on them, based on the community’s feeling about the case and about who is in the wrong. People are assholes sometimes, and you can make them be nice to one another through legislation. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/28 "2012-06-18T22:24:47Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > People are assholes sometimes, and you **can** make them be nice to one another through legislation. That should, of course, be **can’t**. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/29 "2012-06-19T00:18:55Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > After all, if you ban the use of religious courts altogether, and force everyone into the secular courts, it still doesn’t stop the community for shunning someone, or otherwise exacting some sort of social retribution on them, based on the community’s feeling about the case and about who is in the wrong. But it does let them get the legal redress that they will be denied by being forced into these ridiculous religious courts. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/30 "2012-06-19T00:49:10Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > . . . People are assholes sometimes, and you can make them be nice to one another through legislation. > [@mhendo](#): > > That should, of course, be **can’t**. Which brings up a nice point in the board’s rules about quoting! If I had corrected your quote, above, would I be violating the rules? 🙂 Anyway… People are assholes, sometimes…and what the law can do is punish them so severely for it that it deters others from doing likewise. Jailing a few people for misprision of felony is a regrettable necessity, but, after it is done a few times, the message might get heard. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/31 "2012-06-19T01:14:42Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > But it does let them get the legal redress that they will be denied by being forced into these ridiculous religious courts. But under the rules, they can get that now, because the only thing “forcing” them into the religious courts in the first place is community pressure. There is no legal requirement for them to agree to the religious court at all. If they don’t agree to the religious court, they face community disapproval and hostility, but that disapproval and hostility would not magically disappear if you made the religious courts illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/32 "2012-06-19T02:53:38Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > But it does let them get the legal redress that they will be denied by being forced into these ridiculous religious courts. For the millionth time: if they can be forced into religious courts, they can be forced to waive their rights in regular courts too. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/33 "2012-06-19T03:11:56Z")
I do believe the State of New York recognizes the importance of a bet din. It’s not so much that they’re awful for things like divorces or whatever – it’s when criminals get to bypass the actual justice system of the land. I believe many even have their own police force. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/34 "2012-06-19T09:58:03Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > I.e., “snitches get stitches.” > [@gamerunknown](#): > > Whistleblowers? “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.” And allows both to hire the best lawyers they can afford. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/35 "2012-12-13T00:00:04Z")
UPDATE: Nechemya Weberman was convicted on all (59) counts. The jury deliberated for about five hours over two days. He is being held on Riker’s Island pending his sentencing on Jan 9. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404/36 "2012-12-13T02:26:48Z")
And in a related update: someone threw bleach in the face of the Rabbi who’s been helping to out orthodox molesters, Nuchem Rosenberg. > [@](#): > > A Police Department spokeswoman said on Tuesday evening that there had been an “ongoing dispute” between Rabbi Rosenberg and the man who threw the unidentified substance, but that no arrest had yet been made. Rabbi Rosenberg was taken to Woodhull Medical Center with burns to his face. According to a relative who was at the hospital, he had a corneal abrasion to his left eye and chemical burns around his eye. He was released after treatment and is expected to fully recover, his relative said. So at least they know which orthodox terrorist attacked him. Hopefully, Rosenberg will press charges. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asshole-orthodox-jews-who-let-little-kids-get-molested-and-the-perps-go-free/625404.md?page=1)