# I pit the city of Rotterdam **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 25, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434 "2018-01-25T05:52:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/21 "2018-01-25T22:02:28Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > … the police at least have to pretend something was amiss when they take your money and your car. They have to have some fig leaf of probable cause or something.… No, not at all. As far as money goes, if you have more than around a thousand dollars cash on you, that is “suspicious”, because we got cards and things, and nobody carries that kind of cash around: you must be up to mischief. But it is a tremendous amount of work for us to drag you in, investigate, try and all that, so we will simply accuse your money of being dirty, detain it, and _ **force you to prove its innocence** _. Much less work for us, since money has no rights. And by the time you have finished trying to get your money out of slam, the lawyers fees will have eaten you alive. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/22 "2018-01-25T22:11:32Z")
FUCK!!! It’s not like US cops need more ideas on what to steal from law-abiding citizens under CAF. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/23 "2018-01-25T22:17:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Civil forfeiture is bad, sure. But this is worse than that. Civil forfeiture at least requires actual suspicion of a crime. This is explicitly about people who don’t look like they should be able to afford the stuff, unless they have (on their person) papers proving they own it. This isn’t worse, it’s the exact same fucking thing. You do know that posts like this are why people call you BigTard, right? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/24 "2018-01-25T22:21:41Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No, not at all. As far as money goes, if you have more than around a thousand dollars cash on you, that is “suspicious”, because we got cards and things, and nobody carries that kind of cash around: you must be up to mischief. > > But it is a tremendous amount of work for us to drag you in, investigate, try and all that, so we will simply accuse your money of being dirty, detain it, and _ **force you to prove its innocence** _. Much less work for us, since money has no rights. And by the time you have finished trying to get your money out of slam, the lawyers fees will have eaten you alive. Right, but first they have to claim your tail light was out or you didn’t use your turn signal or that your pocket looked heavy so they thought you might have a gun. They at least have to have that before they pull you over and take your possessions. That’s all I’m saying. In Rotterdam, according to all the research I’ve done (reading this thread), if you just look like you don’t belong in those Jordache jeans, they can take them from you. CAF is terrible and has been hashed out in multiple threads. This is also bad. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/25 "2018-01-25T22:23:47Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > This isn’t worse, it’s the exact same fucking thing… If this is the exact same thing, why are you so upset that it was pitted? BTW, we Americans appreciate your passion about CAF. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/26 "2018-01-25T22:39:24Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > If this is the exact same thing, why are you so upset that it was pitted? Try reading post 18 again. As I said there, it was the OP’s hypocrisy about CAF that bothered me and it was that hypocrisy I responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/27 "2018-01-25T23:11:17Z")
So, did anyone other than me go to the article referenced in the in the National Review article? It’s still not good, but not as bad as the NR article makes it out to be. > **[Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rottherdam-police-undress-youth-clothes-expensive-crime-gangs-racial-profiling-a8169631.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook)** > > Officers will target young men wearing designer clothes and watches they seemingly cannot afford ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/28 "2018-01-26T01:55:22Z")
I’m not seeing the difference between the two articles. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/29 "2018-01-26T03:26:23Z")
So how are they the police going to go in carrying out this asinine policy; are they literally going to stripping people naked in the streets? ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/30 "2018-01-26T03:40:46Z")
“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/31 "2018-01-26T15:03:59Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > if you just look like you don’t belong in those Jordache jeans, they can take them from you. [You wanna know what comes between me & my Calvin’s?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_sV4k-xRa4&t=20s) [del]Nothing[/del] The cops. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/32 "2018-01-30T02:25:13Z")
Huh. From the title I thought this thread would be about the rapes that were covered up. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/33 "2018-01-31T17:09:33Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > So how are they the police going to go in carrying out this asinine policy; are they literally going to stripping people naked in the streets? Naw; they’ll leave 'em their knickers. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/34 "2018-01-31T18:40:22Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Naw; they’ll leave 'em their knickers. Not if they’re expensive knickers. ---
**Author:** ![KMS94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ad7895/32.png) [@KMS94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KMS94)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/35 "2018-02-01T02:00:24Z")
How will they know who’s poor if everyone is dressed nice? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/36 "2018-02-01T02:06:00Z")
> [@KMS94](#): > > How will they know who’s poor if everyone is dressed nice? The poor will be naked and thus confined to home. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/37 "2018-02-01T18:30:47Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” Denmark? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/38 "2018-02-01T18:58:22Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Right, but first they have to claim your tail light was out or you didn’t use your turn signal or that your pocket looked heavy so they thought you might have a gun. They at least have to have that before they pull you over and take your possessions. That’s all I’m saying. In Rotterdam, according to all the research I’ve done (reading this thread), if you just look like you don’t belong in those Jordache jeans, they can take them from you. > > CAF is terrible and has been hashed out in multiple threads. This is also bad. Even in this thread it’s pointed out that the police aren’t picking random well dressed but poor people off the street and stripping them. The starting point is known gang members, suspected of criminal activity that’s difficult to prove, known to have no legal income. It’s exactly the same intent and result as CAF. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/39 "2018-02-01T19:20:24Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Denmark? Forget it, he’s rolling. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434/40 "2018-02-01T20:25:05Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Forgcet it, he’s rolling. Perfect response. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-city-of-rotterdam/807434.md?page=1)