# I pit the cops who openly applauded police abuse today

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**Created:** [July 28, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340 "2017-07-28T19:00:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/521 "2017-08-05T17:42:17Z")

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[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/darren-rainey-miami-dade-shower-death-autopsy-photos\_us\_5983f3f7e4b041356ebeedb5?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/darren-rainey-miami-dade-shower-death-autopsy-photos_us_5983f3f7e4b041356ebeedb5?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009)

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> Autopsy Photos Of Inmate Allegedly **‘Boiled’ To Death** Raise Questions About State’s Report  
> Rainey was locked in the shower for about **two hours** under what has been alleged to be scalding water. Rainey’s body **looked like “a boiled lobster”** when it was removed from the shower, inmates claimed.  
> But in March, Miami-Dade **State Attorney** Katherine Fernandez Rundle issued a report that **cleared guards of any wrongdoing** in Rainey’s death. Rundle **called Rainey’s death an accident** resulting from a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and being confined in the shower room.
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> … The disturbing images show severe wounds on numerous sections of Rainey’s body. **Entire swaths of skin ― and, in places, what appear to be multiple layers of skin ― are shown missing** , bunched up at the edges of wounds or **hanging loosely at the edges** of wounds.  
> …Lew, the Miami-Dade **medical examiner** , described Rainey’s injuries as “skin slippage” in her autopsy report. She wrote that they were the result of normal post-mortem decomposition, “exposure to a warm, moist environment” and friction or pressure placed on his body during attempts to revive him or move his body.
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> …“Those photographs are typical of hot water thermal injury to the skin and consistent with the circumstances in that shower room,” he said. “And they are not consistent with decomposition happening in a 24-hour period of time.”
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> …But the room where Rainey was ultimately found was not like the prison’s other showers. It didn’t have taps accessible to the bather; rather, the water taps were in an adjacent janitorial closet, from which a pipe carried hot and cold water. And the water discharged from a hole in the wall instead of spraying from a shower head.  
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> An **inmate in that stall had no control over the pressure, temperature or duration of the water**. State officials said the shower was rigged this way so guards could force inmates to wash when they refused to bathe normally.  
> But multiple inmates at the Dade Correctional Institution had a very different view of the makeshift shower. They claimed that it had been used for some time to punish uncooperative inmates, according to an internal investigation report by the Miami-Dade state attorney. There are also accounts from inmates and former prison staff saying the water temperature in the makeshift shower got excessively high.  
> Jerry Cummings, who was a Dade prison warden at the time, ordered Capt. Darlene Dixon, the environmental health and safety officer at the prison, to check the shower’s water temperature two days after Rainey’s death. (Cummings was fired two years later, and **after another inmate died**.)

Boil THAT bastard and see how HE likes it. Boil that lying “doctor” and sate attorney too.

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/522 "2017-08-05T18:15:18Z")

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> [Autopsy Photos Of Inmate Allegedly 'Boiled' To Death Raise Questions About State's Report | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/darren-rainey-miami-dade-shower-death-autopsy-photos_us_5983f3f7e4b041356ebeedb5?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009)
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> Boil THAT bastard and see how HE likes it. Boil that lying “doctor” and sate attorney too.

Toss the guards in that soup pot too. They may be less culpable than those who create the environment and enable the behavior, but they still participated in it. They still knew they were torturing someone. That (and even if) they didn’t mean to kill him doesn’t get them off the hook in the slightest, IMHO.

I get the reason for a shower like that, there are times when inmates are uncooperative, and you need to do something about hygiene, so putting them in there and rinsing them off for a bit may be the “best” method of dealing with uncooperative prisoners.

Using it as a form of punishment, however, is simply torture. Unless the sentence handed down by the courts and the jury says that the inmate should be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment (which even a PD should get appealed on constitutional grounds), then the guards are not there to punish. The guards deciding on their own that this inmate deserves some extrajudicial punishment should be considered a crime against humanity.

I am against torture entirely, but the small part of me that is for fairness over pragmatism is tempted to want to see these people who have abused their authority in order to degrade and dehumanize other human beings get the same treatment that they dished out.

It’s also stupid, prison riots don’t start because people don’t want to be in prison, prison riots start because of the conditions in the prison. You start torturing inmates, and your population can quickly become uncontrollable. And if one were an inmate subjected to the tortures from the guards, I think he would have little personal ethical reason to not return the favor.

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