# I pit the cops who openly applauded police abuse today **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 28, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340 "2017-07-28T19:00:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/141 "2017-07-31T16:33:25Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Yes, the anti-cop crowd is being overly critical about this (as usual). > > Trump’s statement can’t undo agency policy nor state laws. Trump cannot legalize assault under authority of a peace officer. I don’t think anyone thinks he has now legalized assault or police brutality. But he can - and did - encourage it. That is not only the opinion of the “anti-cop crowd,” but also a significant number of police departments that have publicly condemned the remarks. Others, of course, have said that this remark is no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/142 "2017-07-31T16:39:15Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Yes, the anti-cop crowd is being overly critical about this (as usual). > > Trump’s statement can’t undo agency policy nor state laws. Trump cannot legalize assault under authority of a peace officer. Right. Trump can’t make police do illegal activities. But the fact that he thought it would be okay to try is quite offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/143 "2017-07-31T16:39:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I don’t think anyone thinks he has now legalized assault or police brutality. But he can - and did - encourage it. That is not only the opinion of the “anti-cop crowd,” but also a significant number of police departments that have publicly condemned the remarks. Others, of course, have said that this remark is no big deal. Agreed. And I think the reason that the cops laughed at it was that they didn’t take him seriously. Why would a cop jeopardize his case, his career, & risk imprisonment just to give some lowlife a little payback? ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/144 "2017-07-31T16:41:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Right. Trump can’t make police do illegal activities. But the fact that he thought it would be okay to try is quite offensive. It shows yuge ignorance. But that’s nothing new. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/145 "2017-07-31T16:43:06Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > It shows yuge ignorance. > > But that’s nothing new. Bad things that are repeated should still be criticized, lest they become thought of as normal. Trump’s ignorance is not normal, and should be criticized every time it’s demonstrated. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/146 "2017-07-31T16:44:51Z")
Good GOD, the police and their supporters are such whiny little bitches. If you think being a police officer and being subject to public criticism and oversight is so damned difficult and offensive, GET A DIFFERENT FUCKING JOB. Or STFU and do your jobs within the limits of your policies and oversight. And grow the fuck up and accept that in doing a public job, you’re going to get criticism from the public _no matter what you do_. As I said, you aren’t ordained by God to be cops. Nor is being a police officer anywhere near the top 10 most dangerous jobs. When you whine like this, it only shows you for the cowards, pussies and bullies you really are. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/147 "2017-07-31T16:46:28Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Agreed. And I think the reason that the cops laughed at it was that they didn’t take him seriously. Why would a cop jeopardize his case, his career, & risk imprisonment just to give some lowlife a little payback? That’s how you wish to interpret all the happy cops behind him? Where _do_ you get your rose-colored blinders? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/148 "2017-07-31T16:50:54Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Agreed. And I think the reason that the cops laughed at it was that they didn’t take him seriously. Why would a cop jeopardize his case, his career, & risk imprisonment just to give some lowlife a little payback? So are you saying that police brutality - giving “some lowlife a little payback” - never happens? After all, why would a cop risk all of that? ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/149 "2017-07-31T16:56:29Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > So are you saying that police brutality - giving “some lowlife a little payback” - never happens? Where did I say that? Please post the post# that I said that in. > [@](#): > > After all, why would a cop risk all of that? Logic would say that they shouldn’t. But as long as police work is done by humans there will ALWAYS be a few bad apples making bad decisions. There’s no getting around that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/150 "2017-07-31T16:56:31Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Agreed. And I think the reason that the cops laughed at it was that they didn’t take him seriously. **Why would a cop jeopardize his case, his career, & risk imprisonment just to give some lowlife a little payback?** There wouldn’t be a brutality problem if this didn’t happen. As far as giving a lowlife payback, what if they grabbed the wrong guy? Ever heard of “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”? What did Freddy Grey do? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/151 "2017-07-31T16:57:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Eat shit, asshole. As usual, another wonderful post from Colibri who is probably pissed that this is the pit and and he can’t give a warning to someone for the SD crime of being conservative. As for the cops, can we add those who lie (i.e. the Blue Line) to cover up the brutality and murders their buddies commit? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/152 "2017-07-31T16:59:06Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > But as long as police work is done by humans there will ALWAYS be a few bad apples making bad decisions. There’s no getting around that. So what does the record look like on other police officers removing the ‘bad apples’ from their midst versus cheering them on, defending them and covering up for them? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/153 "2017-07-31T17:00:57Z")
If the ‘bad apples’ were few, one would think there would be few problems in removing them swiftly. That history says otherwise beggars the truth of that one word; ‘few’. ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/154 "2017-07-31T17:01:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There wouldn’t be a brutality problem if this didn’t happen. Who said it didn’t. I simply noted why most cops won’t consider engaging in such behavior. > [@](#): > > As far as giving a lowlife payback, what if they grabbed the wrong guy? Ever heard of “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”? Yes, it’s that thing that Cop Blockheads forget when it comes to police officers. > [@](#): > > What did Freddy Grey do? Tried selling opiates & swallowed the evidence when he saw the cops. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/155 "2017-07-31T17:04:00Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Tried selling opiates & swallowed the evidence when he saw the cops. According to no jury trial. But suppose he did do that – that warrants death, in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/156 "2017-07-31T17:11:45Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > A great deal of the criticism of the police _is_ trying to prevent the police doing their jobs. I’ve seen people here saying the police shouldn’t be able to ask people to identify themselves, shouldn’t be able to restrain people they’ve been arrested, that moving people back to a safe distance is infringing on their free speech, and many other idiotic complaints. How do you feel about criticizing police that kill civilians and their buddies that lie about it? Confiscate cell phones recording them in public (which is totally legal)? Hey you think that may be related to cops lying about their actions? Throwing a pregnant black woman on the ground and arresting her for not showing a drivers license (you don’t have to in California) after allowing a white woman to verbally identify herself? So you’re position is how dare we criticize cops for being thugs and murders, thieves and perjurers to cover up their crimes and racists? Go move to Venezuela or an ISIS camp. I’m sure you’ll think it’s a paradise. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/157 "2017-07-31T17:14:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to no jury trial. But suppose he did do that – that warrants death, in your opinion? Why not. You get the [death penalty](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/nyregion/eric-garner-police-chokehold-staten-island.html?mcubz=1) for being accused by a shopowner selling loosies even though an actual investigation showed no loosies on the perp. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/158 "2017-07-31T17:16:51Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Where did I say that? Please post the post# that I said that in. > Logic would say that they shouldn’t. > > But as long as police work is done by humans there will ALWAYS be a few bad apples making bad decisions. There’s no getting around that. You asked why a cop would risk his case, his career and imprisonment to do that. I was asking you to clarify if by your question, you were implying that it didn’t ever happen, because cops would be unwilling to risk all of that just to give some lowlife - or suspected lowlife, really- some payback. You can tell I was asking a question because I used a question mark. The framing of the question “are you saying” indicates that I was asking if you were saying that, based on the post I quoted. See how that works? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/159 "2017-07-31T17:18:45Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > How do you feel about criticizing police that kill civilians and their buddies that lie about it? > Confiscate cell phones recording them in public (which is totally legal)? Hey you think that may be related to cops lying about their actions? > Throwing a pregnant black woman on the ground and arresting her for not showing a drivers license (you don’t have to in California) after allowing a white woman to verbally identify herself? [Plotting to frame a civilian for an incident for which a cop was at fault](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyvzWwvRBM)? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340/160 "2017-07-31T17:39:27Z")
> [@](#): > > **Trump faces pushback after endorsing police abuses** > > … > … > … > The fact that many of the police officers in attendance laughed and applauded this rhetoric made matters worse. > > But in a familiar pattern, a variety of police departments responded to Trump’s comments by making clear they disagree with his endorsement of abuses. BuzzFeed noted: > President Donald Trump’s apparent suggestion that police officers be “rough” with suspects in custody is facing sharp criticism from law enforcement agencies across the country, with police chiefs from California to Florida and New York condemning the president’s remarks as an irresponsible encouragement of excessive force. […] > > Within a few hours, the Suffolk County Police Department was already distancing itself from Trump’s remarks, saying in a statement that the agency would “not tolerate roughing up prisoners.” Other police departments were similarly quick to rebuke the quip, warning that the apparent urging of the use of force could erode already fragile relationships between law enforcement and the public and set back efforts to address problems of police brutality. > > This was an encouraging reaction to a president whose approach to the rule of law is increasingly dangerous. > **[Trump faces pushback after endorsing police abuses](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-faces-pushback-after-endorsing-police-abuses-msna1007551)** > > The moral of the story: stop inviting Donald Trump to events. He doesn't consistently know how to behave himself. > **[Police Reject Donald Trump's Comments About "Roughing Up" Suspects](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/police-push-back-against-trump-use-of-force-comments)** > > Several police agencies are speaking out about what they said was Trump's 'wink and nod' suggestion that officers use unnecessary force against suspects in custody. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-cops-who-openly-applauded-police-abuse-today/792340.md?page=9)