# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")
[This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15218969#post15218969) thread was closed. It was not my thread. The OP made some very good points which I wanted to emphasize. However, the fucking point of the OP was lost and I guess here I am defending myself and the OP and the few others who contributed to that thread. Because the clueless come out. I give evidence, Foundation X. **tomndebb** says there is nothing wrong with linking to a speech; however, he objects to the “citation of the speech”. He objects to my evidence, which is fine. Just say so. [QUOTE=Stink Fish Pot] Is it something psychological in us as Americans that don’t want to see ourselves (and as an extension of ourselves, the goverment) as cheaters, no better than say the USSR, who were masters of propaganda and never told their people the truth? [/QUOTE] **Stink Fish Pot** was right, except they weren’t masters of propaganda. They never told their people the truth not because they did not want to but because they did not have the truth. I don’t have the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/2 "2012-06-29T02:30:15Z")
I had it for a little while, but it turned out I couldn’t handle the truth. I think I left it in the fridge. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/3 "2012-06-29T02:33:19Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I don’t have the truth. Then we are in agreement. You sir, are a dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/4 "2012-06-29T02:35:43Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I had it for a little while, but it turned out I couldn’t handle the truth. I think I left it in the fridge. I’m glad someone understands the difference between truth and evidence. > [@Chimera](#): > > Then we are in agreement. > > You sir, are a dumbass. It starts. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/5 "2012-06-29T02:41:32Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I’m glad someone understands the difference between truth and evidence. You hypothetically have no truth, but you actually have no evidence. A fine distinction, but one lost on many people. > [@](#): > > It starts. Since we’re now in the Pit, what did you expect? You’re an ignorant, arrogant fool with non-existent logic skills and a severe lack of imagination. You couldn’t present a consistent, coherent idea more complex than 1+1=2, and I have my doubts about that as well. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/6 "2012-06-29T02:42:14Z")
Ah! The reverse pitting of Sir Kozmik, with his celebrated “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” logic has commenced! I’ll get the Holy Hand Grenade! ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/7 "2012-06-29T02:55:07Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > You’re an ignorant, arrogant fool with non-existent logic skills and a severe lack of imagination. [Some](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15196885&postcount=346) [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15198374&postcount=353) of mine are true. [Some](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15216642&postcount=385) of your posts are false. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/8 "2012-06-29T03:41:25Z")
This is going great. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/9 "2012-06-29T03:59:31Z")
a few comments: No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the American people. The cynics are right nine times out of ten. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. These were all true when written by H.L. Mencken in the early 20th century, and they remain true today. Conspiracy theories are just a practical tool in aiding the government with it’s control of the people, and the sad thing is, so many people buy into them. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/10 "2012-06-29T04:06:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > This is going great. It’s a conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/11 "2012-06-29T04:17:18Z")
Reality does tend to conspire against morons. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/12 "2012-06-29T04:17:46Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > [Some](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15196885&postcount=346) [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15198374&postcount=353) of mine are true. [Some](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15216642&postcount=385) of your posts are false. If you wanted to post some evidence, that thread was the place to do so, back in GD. Here in the Pit we’re just going to point at you and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/13 "2012-06-29T04:17:50Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15218969#post15218969) thread was closed. It was not my thread. The OP made some very good points which I wanted to emphasize. However, the fucking point of the OP was lost . . . No, it wasn’t lost. You **made** it. You gave the Dope a living real-time object lesson in why people do and should reject conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theorists. We learned the lesson; go thou and do likewise. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/14 "2012-06-29T04:19:09Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Reality does tend to conspire against morons. True, but, unfortunately, that works both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/15 "2012-06-29T04:23:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > It starts. It’s so sad when people pick on a message board poster simply for having stupid opinions which he expresses poorly. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/16 "2012-06-29T05:00:02Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > It’s so sad when people pick on a message board poster simply for having stupid opinions which he expresses poorly. ☹ I suppose it would be more humane to comment on his poor hygiene or the fact that he still lives in his mother’s basement. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/17 "2012-06-29T05:07:43Z")
You don’t have anything. You spent page after page spouting conspiracy nonsense like some kind of X-Files, and every time someone asked you to post evidence or just asked you explain what the flying fuck you were talking about, you gave a response that was either aggravatingly coy or just plain stupid. I couldn’t tell if you were playing stupid or if you need to see a psychiatrist, but it’s at least one of the two. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/18 "2012-06-29T06:37:00Z")
Space cases, indeed. I think we’ve finally spotted one in the wild! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/19 "2012-06-29T07:44:13Z")
I stick by what I said in the closed thread: [Quote=Kozmik] I know what the “first private handshake” that took place without cameras present was about. As The New York Times explained, “What was said at that moment is not known.” [/quote] [Quote=Ace309] By all means enlighten us as to what is going on and why we should care. [/quote] [Quote=Kozmik] How the hell should I know? I wasn’t there, and neither was the reporter Alan Cowell, who wrote, “What was said at that moment is not known.” [/quote] Cocaine is a hell of a drug. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/20 "2012-06-29T11:54:30Z")
Does anyone know if **Kozmik** is actually on prescription medications, or if he frequently uses mind-altering drugs? Because I’m constantly amazed at how the things he says just don’t make any sense at all, but in a very colorful way. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=2)