# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/221 "2012-07-05T17:06:15Z")
**KOZ** You have lost it. Really you need help. Stuxnet is of course a conspiracy against Iran, either the US or Israel did it(possibly both) in an attempt to halt the enrichment of Uranium and of course they are going to deny it, its cyberwarfare, every country(that can) does it and everyone denies it. Welcome to the Internet age. This is not evidence of the Illuminati, it is strong evidence that the West is making an all out effort to stop the Iranians from building a Nuclear Weapon. The actions of the ECB are aimed at keeping the EU together, this is being deliberated in public and reported on daily, yes some meetings are private but the results are not. The livleyhoods of 500 million people are directly at stake and the breakup of the EU would be bad for the rest of the world. European integration has been going on for 60 years in a very public way, it has gone in fits and starts and will continue. If you fail to understand why re-read your early 20th century history texts from college. It is a shame you are wasting your mind and time on this BS, you are smart and should quit looking for the Bogey-Man in every dark corner. The Illuminati were dreamed up by paranoid people who have a limited understanding of the world and felt helpless. This view can only be supported by ignoring the facts. Be critical, ask questions but quit being an idiot **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/222 "2012-07-05T18:40:51Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Stuxnet is of course a conspiracy against Iran, either the US or Israel did it(possibly both) in an attempt to halt the enrichment of Uranium and of course they are going to deny it, its cyberwarfare, every country(that can) does it and everyone denies it. Welcome to the Internet age. This is not evidence of the Illuminati, it is strong evidence that the West is making an all out effort to stop the Iranians from building a Nuclear Weapon. **Alessan** , who I respect, would not agree with me: > [@Alessan](#): > > Therefore, everything is initiated and implemented by _the same_ small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. **Alessan** , who you also should respect, would not agree with you either: > [@Alessan](#): > > Stuxnet was initiated and implemented by a small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/223 "2012-07-05T18:43:17Z")
Marley23 - Are you really getting irked because a pit thread doesn’t contain internal logic? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/224 "2012-07-05T18:47:41Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Hell, just start with stating an actual hypothesis before you even go to those steps. Hypothesis: > [@Alessan](#): > > everything is initiated and implemented by _the same_ small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/225 "2012-07-05T18:48:54Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > **Alessan** , who I respect, would not agree with me: > > **Alessan** , who you also should respect, would not agree with you either: I believe he was talking about your beliefs not his own. Most assuredly Iran believes that Israel and the US did it. You still have not answered my three questions directly and are still delusional, in my view, until you do. **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/226 "2012-07-05T18:52:34Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I believe he was talking about your beliefs not his own. Yes, I know. I wrote that **Alessan** would _not_ agree with me and neither would he agree with you. Read for clarity, please. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/227 "2012-07-05T18:53:07Z")
Just to clarify (bolding mine): > [@Alessan](#): > > I think the logic is as follows: > > a. Stuxnet was initiated and implemented by a small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. > > b. Therefore, everything is initiated and implemented by small groups of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. > > c. Therefore, everything is initiated and implemented by _the same_ small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. > > \*\*The problem is, of course, that a. does not prove b., and b. does not prove c. > > The thing about OCD, you see, is that it often puts the normal human tendency to look for patterns into overdrive, causing one to see patterns that aren’t necessarily there.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/228 "2012-07-05T18:54:37Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Just to clarify (bolding mine): How about waiting for **Alessan** to clarify, smartass? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/229 "2012-07-05T18:57:27Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > How about waiting for **Alessan** to clarify, smartass? Nah, this is more fun. I like watching this show. It’s very much like watching my infant nephews try to logic their way into a later bedtime or more candy. And I still think you need to get some help and/or take your meds. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/230 "2012-07-05T19:07:40Z")
**KOZ** I and others here have repeatedly asked you for evidence, you have provided nothing but cherry picked quotes and wild assed theories. You started this thread. Provide evidence, real evidence not your out of context quote from some professor, not a misunderstood quote from a NYT columnist, not a wild eyed conjecture unsupported by facts and we will happily listen. I will assert once again that a state or states were responsible for Stuxnet, prove me wrong, I dare you **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/231 "2012-07-05T19:19:27Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I will assert once again that a state or states were responsible for Stuxnet I will emphasize once again that **Alessan** would disagree with you: > [@Alessan](#): > > Stuxnet was initiated and implemented by a small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. Those are **Alessan** ’s words, not mine. **Alessan** does not agree with me neither: > [@Alessan](#): > > Therefore, everything is initiated and implemented by _the same_ small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments. But that’s beside the point. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/232 "2012-07-05T19:37:20Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I will emphasize once again that **Alessan** would disagree with you: > Those are **Alessan** ’s words, not mine. > > **Alessan** does not agree with me neither: > > But that’s beside the point. I said YOU provide some evidence, but you cannot can you? So you once again revert to some one else on this board who said something that may or may not support one of your lame theories. Facts come on bring em’. Give us one fact that shows the Illuminati made Stuxnet, one fact that is verifiable. That is all I am asking for, do it or STFU **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/233 "2012-07-05T20:01:27Z")
Kozmik - You’re trying to figure out how the world works. I’m less ambitious. I’m trying to figure out how one person works - that person being you, **Kozmik**. I was trying to understand your logic. I was not agreeing with it or claiming it was viable, I was simply trying to understand how you went from Stuxnet to the Illuminati. It seems as though I was correct. That’s nice. Personally (and based on absolutely no inside information), I think Stuxnet was written by the kids at [Mamram](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamram), and all it proves is that Israeli military hackers have some mad skillz and that Israel was never afraid to engage its enemies on new battlefields. I do not in any way, shape or form conclude that it was initiated by some invisible cabal of international masterminds, because such an invisible cabal of international masterminds\* does not exist.\* ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/234 "2012-07-05T20:12:06Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Because politics, at the highest level, is believed to be between [countries](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population). I claim that that there are higher levels. OK. So far you’ve posted no evidence, and there’s no logic to what you’ve said in support of this idea. > [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Marley23 - Are you really getting irked because a pit thread doesn’t contain internal logic? No. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/235 "2012-07-05T20:21:37Z")
Ok now that we have cleared that up. Koz the ball is in your court, evidence please Capt ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/236 "2012-07-05T20:46:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I do not in any way, shape or form conclude that it was initiated by some invisible cabal of international masterminds, because such an invisible cabal of international masterminds\* does not exist.\* If I could join an organization and become invisible I would in a heartbeat. Because that would be really cool. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/237 "2012-07-05T21:03:11Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If I could join an organization and become invisible I would in a heartbeat. Because that would be really cool. Being invisible is overrated. I always seem to have people bumping into me… and they never apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/238 "2012-07-05T21:57:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Idiocracy. Not just a movie. Yes, it’s also a felicitous designator for your unique neurochemistry. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/239 "2012-07-05T22:50:49Z")
**Kozmik’s** mental processes are controlled by a shadowy group of idiocrats calling themselves the Illucidati. Wake up and smell the ayahuasca, sheeple! ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/240 "2012-07-05T23:45:45Z")
**Kozmik** , just to clarify, are you Miriam Lawrence of New York, NY? That’s the assumption I made when I read [post 157](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15235377&postcount=157), but I’m not sure whether that was what you intended. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=13)