# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/321 "2012-07-09T22:49:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I… don’t really think you’ve supported your argument. Now I have a hypothesis. Posters were arguing over [this point](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15233745&postcount=117). However, you were the only poster that helped come up with my hypothesis: > [@Alessan](#): > > everything is initiated and implemented by the same small group of people acting more-or-less independently of national governments I [asked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15246451&postcount=263) another poster three questions (as of now unanswered): Why aren’t my views on conspiracies sane? Why is it sane to believe that politics, at the highest level, is between countries? Why is it _not_ sane to believe that there are higher levels? This is my belief about the Illuminati: > [@Kozmik](#): > > The Illuminati has more influence over China and India than Barack Obama. More influence over Joseph Kony being captured and killed than [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc) YouTube video. More influence over Syria than WikiLeaks. More influence over Israel than all the Jews, Muslims and Christians combined. More influence over every single person on earth than anyone, except _someone_ who controls the Illuminati. And you were the only poster who realized the crux of the argument: > [@Alessan](#): > > That’s the crux of it, isn’t it? \*\*Kozmik \*\*learns that national leaders don’t really control the world, and from that he reaches the conclusion that an even smaller group of people have to control it. What he seems to be ignoring is the infinitely more likely possibility - namely, that \*nobody \*controls the world. In _The New York Times_ today, it was mentioned that there are 192 governments in the world. It is a fact that there are 192 governments in the world. _The New York Times_ referred to this fact in the editorial, A Treaty on Conventional Arms. I argue that the Illuminati control the 192 governments of the world. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/322 "2012-07-09T22:57:24Z")
Here’s a thought experiment for you, **Kozmik.** Imagine a world in which the Illuminati doesn’t exist, and there’s no one agency controlling the governments of the world. _In what way would things be different?_ ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/323 "2012-07-09T23:28:26Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Here’s a thought experiment for you, **Kozmik.** Imagine a world in which the Illuminati doesn’t exist, and there’s no one agency controlling the governments of the world. _In what way would things be different?_ I am imagining a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, higher up, the Illuminati, and, at the top, _someone_. I am trying to imagine a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, and, at the top, _no one_. Things would be different regarding [balance of power](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_power_in_international_relations) among other things. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/324 "2012-07-09T23:52:55Z")
[QUOTE=Kozmik (on 7/3)] The leaders of the 242 nations of the world do not run the world. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kozmik (on 7/9)] I am imagining a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, higher up, the Illuminati, and, at the top, _someone_. [/QUOTE] My God, in less than a week, 50 nations were wiped out!! Those Illuminati really are powerful. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/325 "2012-07-10T00:09:10Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Things would be different regarding [balance of power](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_power_in_international_relations) among other things. How? ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/326 "2012-07-10T00:10:08Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I am imagining a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, higher up, the Illuminati, and, at the top, _someone_. I am imagining a _series_ of pyramids, one for each country, with the common people at the bottom, and at the top the government heads yelling back and forth about whose pyramid is the biggest and the shiniest. Convince me that your model of world government is more valid than mine. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/327 "2012-07-10T00:24:21Z")
I’m imagining someone wearing a [power pyramid](http://www.powerpyramids.com/) on their head. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/328 "2012-07-10T00:37:01Z")
I am imagining the [99%](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) versus the 1%. I could be wrong though. Then again, it could be just propaganda for the propagandists. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/329 "2012-07-10T00:43:02Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I am imagining the [99%](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) versus the 1%. I could be wrong though. Then again, it could be just propaganda for the propagandists. The 1% is somewhere in the neighborhood of _seventy million people._ What evidence do you have that they’re all working together? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/330 "2012-07-10T00:44:40Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I [asked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15246451&postcount=263) another poster three questions (as of now unanswered): Why aren’t my views on conspiracies sane? Because they make no sense, there’s no evidence for them, and the facts you have tried to marshal in support of the theory look like the product of a malfunctioning brain. (‘There was Stuxnet, and …George W. Bush and … the student paper printed my letters, SO I MUST BE SANE!’) > [@](#): > > Why is it sane to believe that politics, at the highest level, is between countries? Because there’s a lot of evidence for it. > [@](#): > > Why is it _not_ sane to believe that there are higher levels? Because there’s no evidence for it, and much evidence against it. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/331 "2012-07-10T00:51:08Z")
[quote=“Kozmik, post:323, topic:626653”] I am imagining a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, higher up, the Illuminati, and, at the top, _someone_… My God! What if it’s turtles, all the way _up_? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/332 "2012-07-10T00:53:00Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > The 1% is somewhere in the neighborhood of _seventy million people._ Yes, and 1% of seventy million people is 700,000 and 1% of that is 7,000, and 1% of _that_ is 70. The 1% is _seventy people_. The 99%: everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/333 "2012-07-10T00:56:42Z")
Your argument is basically ‘someone could be on top, therefore someone must be on top.’ The pyramid is made of tinfoil. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/334 "2012-07-10T01:02:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The pyramid is made of tinfoil. Except for one thing: The Occupy movement. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/335 "2012-07-10T01:23:40Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Except for one thing: The Occupy movement. No. Not the Occupy movement. “Except for one thing: The Occupy movement” is another complete non-fucking-sequitur. The people you’re addressing in this thread aren’t participating in all the random leaps you make from one idea to another, and don’t get the references you’re making because they only make sense in your head. If you’re not trolling, you need to seek professional help. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/336 "2012-07-10T01:25:44Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Except for one thing: The Occupy movement. You’ve forgotten about [The Heads of Cerberus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heads_of_Cerberus). I mean, this has about as much relevance as the Occupy Movement to your argument. Really, you argue like a stump. An elm stump, they’re so useless. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/337 "2012-07-10T01:27:05Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Except for one thing: The Occupy movement. Once again: what the fuck are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/338 "2012-07-10T01:36:54Z")
Come on, man! It’s so obvious! The Occupy Movement! Also, Dave’s not here. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/339 "2012-07-10T01:43:10Z")
Occupy the PYRAMID!!! If you visit the Great Pyramid in Giza, don’t pay extra to go inside - there’s nothing in there, it’s hot and humid, you have to bend down to walk through it, and you’ll probably bang your head a few times - totally lame. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/340 "2012-07-10T01:45:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The pyramid is made of tinfoil. Wot! Slander I say good sir, [slander](http://www.powerpyramids.com/faq.html#7)! > [@](#): > > These pyramids are made using only top quality materials, which are not cheap. The metal particles that I use (pure copper) are specially machined from blocks of copper, not found at the dump or at a machine shop. This means they are pure! The copper coils I use are made on a custom die, not hand-wound around a funnel. They are beautifully precise, which smoothes out the energy field of the pyramids. The pyramid shell itself is privately machined for me and you’ll not find this anywhere else! Also, I’ve done quite a bit of R&D to discover the best type of resin available for these devices. Aqua Resin is more expensive than plastic, but it is much more alive. It contains powdered quartz crystal right in the matrix, what a bonus! > > Each pyramid is hand-made and painted and from start to finish take several days to make. These are unique, rare and attractive. Even the neodymium earth magnets are rare. No expense was spared to create not only beautiful display pieces but functional tools. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=18)