# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/341 "2012-07-10T03:25:27Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Yes, and 1% of seventy million people is 700,000 and 1% of that is 7,000, and 1% of _that_ is 70. The 1% is _seventy people_. The 99%: everyone else. …then why is it called the 1% and not the .0001%? Learn to use math, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/342 "2012-07-10T03:40:26Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > The 1% is somewhere in the neighborhood of _seventy million people._ > [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > …then why is it called the 1% and not the .0001%? Learn to use math, dude. I did. You fucking stupid dunce. What’s 1% of 1%? I give you a hint: somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% of seventy million people. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/343 "2012-07-10T03:43:49Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I did. You fucking stupid dunce. > [@Kozmik](#): > > I am imagining the [99%](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) versus the 1%. You can’t even get your OWN ARGUMENT right and you’re wondering why people aren’t taking you seriously. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/344 "2012-07-10T03:46:31Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > You can’t even get your OWN ARGUMENT right and you’re wondering why people aren’t taking you seriously. :rolleyes: It’s not [my](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) fucking argument… :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/345 "2012-07-10T03:46:39Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I did. You fucking stupid dunce. What’s 1% of 1%? I give you a hint: somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% of seventy million people. We all took elementary school math, so we all understand that bigger and smaller numbers exist. What’s your evidence that a secret conspiracy runs the world? > [@Kozmik](#): > > It’s not [my](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) fucking argument… :mad: It’s not a fucking argument at all! ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/346 "2012-07-10T03:50:46Z")
1% of 1% does not equal 1%. Nor does it equal _one tenth_ of 1%, which is the only smaller statistic quoted in the linked article. And you have still failed to answer my question from earlier. What is invalid about a model of world politics that _doesn’t_ have some big shadowy conspiracy pulling strings? What aspects of world politics–what aspects of _anything_–require there to be an Illuminati? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/347 "2012-07-10T03:51:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s not a fucking argument at all! Yes it is: [QUOTE=Stink Fish Pot] Is it something psychological in us as Americans that don’t want to see ourselves (and as an extension of ourselves, the goverment) as cheaters, no better than say the USSR, who were \*\*masters of propaganda \*\*and never told _ **their people** _ the truth? [/QUOTE] Emphasis mine. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/348 "2012-07-10T03:54:51Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Yes it is: That’s not an argument, it’s a question, and it was a very stupid question. Are you sure you want to link yourself to that? And not to nitpick, but for the life of me I don’t know what it has to do with what you were saying earlier. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/349 "2012-07-10T03:55:59Z")
Except they did end up telling their people the truth. That’s why the USSR collapsed. Look up “glasnost.” And that still has fuck-all to do with the 1% and DOESN’T ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/350 "2012-07-10T03:58:35Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > What is invalid about a model of world politics that \doesn’t\ have some big shadowy conspiracy pulling strings? What aspects of world politics–what aspects of \anything\–require there to be an Illuminati? I will answer your two questions after you answer my two questions (so [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15255155&postcount=330) won’t happen). What is the connection between the [Occupy movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement) and the [Illuminati](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)? What _could_ the New World Order become in _the future_? ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/351 "2012-07-10T04:02:49Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What is the connection between the [Occupy movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement) and the [Illuminati](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)? Nothing. One is well-documented, the other has no evidence for its existence. > [@](#): > > What _could_ the New World Order become in _the future_? Fuck if I know. Attempts to predict the future have historically gone very poorly. There. Your turn. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/352 "2012-07-10T04:06:12Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I will answer your two questions after you answer my two questions (so [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15255155&postcount=330) won’t happen). I did answer your questions, did I not? > [@](#): > > What is the connection between the [Occupy movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement) and the [Illuminati](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)? There’s no connection. Occupiers are real, and the Illuminati went out of existence 200+ years ago. > [@](#): > > What _could_ the New World Order become in _the future_? It doesn’t exist, so how the fuck is anyone supposed to answer that? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/353 "2012-07-10T05:22:56Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I am imagining a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, higher up, the Illuminati, and, at the top, _someone_. > > I am trying to imagine a pyramid with the people at the base, higher up, the 192 governments of the world, and, at the top, _no one_. I thought at the top of the pyramid was a [big, scary eye.](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YDU1ASmQaW4/TB_uBVV1pRI/AAAAAAAAAFU/II7K_UXBfxA/s1600/great_seal_obverse.png) Or is it Dick Clark? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/354 "2012-07-10T06:05:55Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I [asked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15246451&postcount=263) another poster three questions (as of now unanswered): Why aren’t my views on conspiracies sane? Why is it sane to believe that politics, at the highest level, is between countries? Why is it _not_ sane to believe that there are higher levels? Your views are not sane because they lack all evidence and are completely unneccessary. And no, politics at the highest level are not between countries, strictly speaking. Politics at _all_ levels are between individuals. Some of these individuals have a great deal of control over governments, which have a great deal of control over countries. But in the end, politics are just another form of human interaction. > [@Kozmik](#): > > And you were the only poster who realized the crux of the argument: Most people here understood the crux of your argument, such as it was. I was the only one who bothered to put it in words simple enough for even you to understand. > [@Kozmik](#): > > In _The New York Times_ today, it was mentioned that there are 192 governments in the world. It is a fact that there are 192 governments in the world. _The New York Times_ referred to this fact in the editorial, A Treaty on Conventional Arms. I argue that the Illuminati control the 192 governments of the world. No you don’t. You \*posit \*that the Illuminati control the 192 governments of the world. Arguing requires making an actual argument, which you have yet to do. Frankly, **Kozmik** , you bore me. Your so-called “theories” are simplistic, asinine and completely unimaginative. You have taken the glorious complexity that is seven billion people interacting with each other in their own unique ways, and replaced it with a worldview of a mentally-challenged 8-year-old. Come back when you have something more interesting for us. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/355 "2012-07-10T10:34:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What is the connection between the [Occupy movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement) and the [Illuminati](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)? They both think you’re nuts. > [@Kozmik](#): > > What _could_ the New World Order become in _the future_? The Old World Order? But first it would have to be the Soon World Order, then the Current World Order, and then the Recent World Order. Maybe with a stop at the Not-So World Order. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/356 "2012-07-10T12:39:03Z")
Disorder, disorder… would you like fries with dis order? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/357 "2012-07-10T12:41:30Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What _could_ the New World Order become in _the future_? The NWO already has the ability to time travel, so your question was answered before you even asked it. Look up [“The Whig Party”](http://www.billfrymire.com/gallery/webJpgs/eye-pyramid-money-dollar-blue.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/358 "2012-07-10T13:56:17Z")
I’ve read a lot of stuff on the internet in my day that has made me stupider, but I genuinely believe that every page of this thread I read adds a month to the time it will take me to earn my PhD. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/359 "2012-07-10T14:37:43Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’ve read a lot of stuff on the internet in my day that has made me stupider, but I genuinely believe that every page of this thread I read adds a month to the time it will take me to earn my PhD. Speaking of which, I heard that \*\*Kozmik \*\*was a primary source for _Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity_. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/360 "2012-07-10T15:09:43Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Yes, and 1% of seventy million people is 700,000 and 1% of that is 7,000, and 1% of _that_ is 70. And 1% of that is 0.7, thereby proving that the dude controlling the Illuminati has had one leg and an arm below the elbow amputated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=19)