# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/521 "2012-07-14T15:53:08Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > (And, if you continue to dodge responding to WHY you have these beliefs, I am going to be forced to conclude that one (or both) of the groups challenging you in this thread are correct, that you are mentally ill or a troll, or both. So, for the last time, WHY do you hold these beliefs?) Well, he might be neither mentally ill nor a troll. He might just be very, very stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/522 "2012-07-14T17:00:14Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It’s not because I don’t believe your ideas. It’s because you don’t believe my cites. > [@](#): > > But the front page of its English-language weekly took an opposite tack to undercut the president by portraying him as the pawn of Washington. [cite](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/world/middleeast/president-morsi-of-egypt-is-undercut-by-state-run-media.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper) > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > **Kozmik** Your logic seems to be as follows: > > 1.)There are countries. > 2.)There are organizations that are not countries, like Al-Qaeda. > 3.)??? > 4.)Therefore, the Illuminati exist. > > It’s step three that people aren’t getting. Please explain it in detail, as though you were speaking to a moderately intelligent high-school student. 1.) I [believe](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/world/middleeast/president-morsi-of-egypt-is-undercut-by-state-run-media.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper) that Mohamed Morsi is a pawn of Washington. 2.) I believe that Washington is a pawn of the Illuminati. 3.) I believe that the Illuminati is a pawn of _someone_. 1.) I [believe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15234788&postcount=139) that Al Qaeda was behind the September 11, 2001 attacks. 2.) I believe that the Illuminati is behind Al Qaeda. 3.) I believe that _someone_ is behind the Illuminati. I [believe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15263191&postcount=442) that the Illuminati are like Bob Gray. Except for my belief based on my answer to **iiandyiiii** ’s questions, my other beliefs in this post can be categorized as primary beliefs, secondary beliefs, and tertiary beliefs. Primary beliefs are beliefs for which I have links, evidence. Secondary beliefs are beliefs for which I do not have evidence. Tertiary beliefs are beliefs for which not only do I not have any evidence, I do not even have indication of evidence. I hope you reply to this post, **Larry Borgia**. Please don’t disappear like **Alessan**. I also hope that **iiandyiiii** replies to this post. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/523 "2012-07-14T17:14:17Z")
I will reply, Kozmik, but I am on my phone right now. I’ll reply in detail when I get back to my computer. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/524 "2012-07-14T17:20:04Z")
No it’s because mostly your cites do not correspond to your statements or say things that you don’t think they do. Because you are citing other peoples posts as proof. People who think you are crazy or a troll. Because the line between belief and fact are blurred in your head. Information aphasia. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/525 "2012-07-14T17:21:04Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > 1.) I [believe](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/world/middleeast/president-morsi-of-egypt-is-undercut-by-state-run-media.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper) that Mohamed Morsi is a pawn of Washington. > 2.) I believe that Washington is a pawn of the Illuminati. > 3.) I believe that the Illuminati is a pawn of _someone_. > > 1.) I [believe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15234788&postcount=139) that Al Qaeda was behind the September 11, 2001 attacks. > 2.) I believe that the Illuminati is behind Al Qaeda. > 3.) I believe that _someone_ is behind the Illuminati. > > I [believe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15263191&postcount=442) that the Illuminati are like Bob Gray. > Except for my belief based on my answer to **iiandyiiii** ’s questions, my other beliefs in this post can be categorized as primary beliefs, secondary beliefs, and tertiary beliefs. Primary beliefs are beliefs for which I have links, evidence. Secondary beliefs are beliefs for which I do not have evidence. Tertiary beliefs are beliefs for which not only do I not have any evidence, I do not even have indication of evidence. > > I hope you reply to this post, **Larry Borgia**. Please don’t disappear like **Alessan**. > > I also hope that **iiandyiiii** replies to this post. Bored, **Kozmik**. Not disappeared. Anyway, what you’re saying here is that your belief in the Illuminati (your secondary belief) has no evidence. If that’s the case, how could you hope to convince anyone of their existence? Also, who’s Bob Gray? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/526 "2012-07-14T17:22:34Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > If I’m going to see a shrink, it will _only_ be because of my OCD. Asshole. Do you understand that very little of what you say makes much sense? There to the rest of the posters here, there are huge gaps in reason, logic, argument, and topic that confuse the hell out of us? And that OCD cannot be the cause? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/527 "2012-07-14T17:30:30Z")
Morsi is definitely not a pawn of Washington and for you to espouse that shows that you have no understanding of Egypt, nor have you paid much attention to the Arab Spring. When you understand why this is the truth come back and try again. **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/528 "2012-07-14T17:37:52Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > There to the rest of the posters here, there are huge gaps in reason, logic, argument, and topic that confuse the hell out of us? Yes, which is why I enumerated my beliefs for **Larry Borgia**. > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I will reply, Kozmik, but I am on my phone right now. I’ll reply in detail when I get back to my computer. Thank you. I have to go to work. When I get back tonight, I look forward to discuss with you politics and conspriacy theories. I don’t discuss politics or conspiracy theories at work, “obviously”. Now, things are not so obvious anymore (hence, the scare quotes) so I ask you - why shouldn’t I discuss things like that at work? Why don’t you (I assume) discuss things like that at work? > [@Alessan](#): > > Also, who’s Bob Gray? Exactly. Google him. You won’t be so bored _if_ you realize what I’m getting at. > [@Loach](#): > > Because the line between belief and fact are blurred in your head. You mean like the line between news and opinion? > [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Morsi is definitely not a pawn of Washington and for you to espouse that shows that you have no understanding of Egypt, nor have you paid much attention to the Arab Spring. When you understand why this is the truth come back and try again. > > **CAPT** _The New York Times_ reported that _Al Ahram_, on it’s front page, portrayed Mohamed Morsi as a pawn of Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/529 "2012-07-14T17:44:45Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Exactly. Google him. You won’t be so bored _if_ you realize what I’m getting at. It’s a fairly common name. [Which one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gray) are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/530 "2012-07-14T17:52:01Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s a fairly common name. [Which one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gray) are you referring to? Not on Wikipedia. Google “I’m Bob Gray”. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/531 "2012-07-14T17:57:50Z")
What, you mean some stupid fucking motivational speaker? Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/532 "2012-07-14T18:01:57Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Not on Wikipedia. Google “I’m Bob Gray”. this is what is so frustrating about interacting with you. Why can’t you just tell us which Bob Gray you’re talking about? What’s the point of being so absurdly coy? Google returns multiple persons for your quote, including a link to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/533 "2012-07-14T18:08:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > this is what is so frustrating about interacting with you. Why can’t you just tell us which Bob Gray you’re talking about? What’s the point of being so absurdly coy? Google returns multiple persons for your quote, including a link to this thread. Alright. I’m referring to the Bob Gray that recieved a new cell phone number. It was a relatively big news story. I’m NOT going to give you (and other posters) links to the news story. I’m going to let you come to your OWN conclusions. Why do I believe that the Illuminati is like Bob Gray? I will tell you when I get back. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/534 "2012-07-14T18:15:38Z")
So I googled it. People in Hollywood are silly. Therefore, Illuminati. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/535 "2012-07-14T18:18:48Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > \ > > _The New York Times_ reported that _Al Ahram_, on it’s front page, portrayed Mohamed Morsi as a pawn of Washington. Which shows that you have zero understanding of Egypt and its politics, if anyone is in the pocket of the Americans it is the Military. The standard way of discrediting someone in Egypt is to accuse them of being in the pocket of Israel or the US or both. When the folks at the State Dept read that this morning, after they cleaned up all the coffee they spewed all over the place, they mused if only we did. Morsi will cooperate with the US because he has to and we will tolerate him because we have no choice, this is a very unhappy marriage. If you had been paying attention instead of looking for bogey men, you would know this. Some topics you should catch up on before you spew BS, The Muslim Brotherhood The Camp David Accords The Assassination of Anwar Sadat US aid to Egypt 1979 to present **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/536 "2012-07-14T19:58:49Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > It’s because you don’t believe my cites. It’s because what you are saying is incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/537 "2012-07-14T20:24:54Z")
[QUOTE=Kozmik] …someone is above the Illuminati and that that someone is a power-unto-themself. [/QUOTE] > [@Jackmannii](#): > > Ah, but who controls _that_ person? I believe that a couple of pages back it was proven scientifically\* that he’s controlled by a brain in a jar. \*It involved repeated multiplication by 1%, so technically it was proven mathematically. Had to mention that or the nitpickers will try to discredit it on a technicality. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/538 "2012-07-14T20:42:34Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Alright. I’m referring to the Bob Gray that recieved a new cell phone number. Cool story, bro. Okay, I’ve probably done this in this thread before, but it deserves another. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/539 "2012-07-14T23:12:09Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Why do I believe that the Illuminati is like Bob Gray? Hard to believe. Scene outside Paris Hilton’s birthday party: \*Illuminati: “We’re here for the party.” Guard (unimpressed): “Are you on the list?” Illuminati: “Of **course** we’re on the list. We’re the freaking Illuminati!” Guard (checks list). "Nope, no Illuminati here. You’ll have to leave. Illuminati: “You’ll pay for this! We have influence!!” (Police are called, arrest Illuminati who later bail out, eventually go to court and pay a fine for creating a nuisance)\* This would never happen to Bob Gray. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/540 "2012-07-14T23:38:09Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Yes, which is why I enumerated my beliefs for **Larry Borgia**. But you don’t seem to understand that your explanations make no sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=28)