# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/801 "2012-07-22T00:20:03Z")
I agree completely. Kozmik hasn’t even come close to saying something that can be examined, analyzed, disputed, or disagreed with. No bad argument, no illogical reasoning, because he hasn’t argued or reasoned at all. (Watch him edit that sentence to make it look like praise.) In fact, his posts in this thread look like the kind of thing produced by people who have suffered brain damage and are no longer able to reason normally. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/802 "2012-07-22T00:53:49Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Kozmik hasn’t even come close to saying something that can be examined, analyzed, disputed, or disagreed with. I haven’t. However, **DrFidelius** has. > [@DrFidelius](#): > > Even if all 192 current heads of governments had a super-secret meeting, any actions proposed or agreed upon would need to be ratified by their congresses, parliaments, politburos, regional governors, etc. for it to take effect. In a real-life summit meeting, nothing is brought to the table without having been checked, approved, vetted, and discussed among many, many persons in lower levels of government. The leaders only debate items already prepared for them by their advisers. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/803 "2012-07-22T00:59:40Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I haven’t. However, **DrFidelius** has. Your point being? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/804 "2012-07-22T01:07:30Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Your point being? :dubious: The Illuminati did it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/805 "2012-07-22T01:08:01Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Your point being? :dubious: Point? What is this “point” of which you speak? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/806 "2012-07-22T01:14:26Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > his posts in this thread look like the kind of thing produced by people who have suffered brain damage and are no longer able to reason normally. Honestly, this thread reminds me of people trying to reason with **Kanickbird.** Both him and **Koz** are honestly, literally, non-jokingly insane. In the latter case, it’s fairly clear that **Koz** has developed a paranoid delusion and needs medical help, perhaps urgently depending on just how seriously he takes his fantasy and just what he’s prepared to do to fight the “Illuminati”. He’s not dancing around the subject and providing babble instead of reasoned arguments because he’s fucking with folks, he’s doing so because he’s very, very sick and his mind simply isn’t functional. It would not at all surprise me if **Koz** pulled a Dark Knight, trying to “fight the Illuminati”. He’s sick, potentially dangerous, and poking him with sticks does no good. If you read this **Koz** , go to a psychological doctor of one form or another. Tell him or her what you’ve told us: there is a secret society with global reach and near-ultimate control that rules the world quasi-secretly, has dark designs for the populace, must be opposed and which only you and a brave group of those In The Know have even realized exists. Explain to your doctor that you can’t even say who these “Illuminati” people are, but you know that they’re there and that they’re out to get you. Explain _exactly_ what your evidence for this belief is. Maybe a qualified professional can help you get well again. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/807 "2012-07-22T02:02:23Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > He’s not dancing around the subject and providing babble instead of reasoned arguments because he’s fucking with folks, he’s doing so because he’s very, very sick and his mind simply isn’t functional. I’m not fucking with **DrFidelius**. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > It would not at all surprise me if **Koz** pulled a Dark Knight, trying to “fight the Illuminati”. You can’t fight the Illuminati because the Illuminati is untouchable. The closest you can get to them is either meeting the President of the United States or being elected President of the United States and even then they are still untouchable. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > there is a secret society with global reach and near-ultimate control that rules the world quasi-secretly, has dark designs for the populace, must be opposed and which only you and a brave group of those In The Know have even realized exists. What if it was 2007 and I explained to him that I believe that the people are the [99%](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) and that the 99% need to [demonstrate](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Movement)against the 1%, those in power, those with money, that large corporations and the global financial system control the world in a way that disproportionately benefits a minority, undermines democracy and is unstable, and that those on [Wall Street](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street) need to understand that the people will stand for it no longer? Do you really think that the doctor would understand? Do you really think that the doctor would understand now even with the Occupy movement being a legitimate, newssworthy movement? > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Explain to your doctor that you can’t even say who these “Illuminati” people are, but you know that they’re they’re and that they’re out to get you. I can’t explain to any doctor that I know that they’re out to get me because I do not know that they’re out to get me and I don’t even believe that they’re out to get me. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/808 "2012-07-22T14:01:34Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What if it was 2007 and I explained to him that I believe that the people are the [99%](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_are_the_99%25) and that the 99% need to [demonstrate](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Movement)against the 1%, those in power, those with money, that large corporations and the global financial system control the world in a way that disproportionately benefits a minority, undermines democracy and is unstable, and that those on [Wall Street](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street) need to understand that the people will stand for it no longer? Do you really think that the doctor would understand? Do you really think that the doctor would understand now even with the Occupy movement being a legitimate, newssworthy movement? The fact that you can’t see the difference between that statement and the other stuff you are saying is very telling. What you state above was not a crazy concept in 2007. Or 1967. Do you realize how huge the illuminati would have to be? How many people it would take to control every country in the world? How is it that no one has ever come forward? How is it that there has never been a leak? How is it that the very existence can only be inferred by those like you with a scary subversive intellect? Where do I sign up? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/809 "2012-07-22T19:08:30Z")
It’s also fascinating that he can spend time raving about how “The Illuminati” caused “World War I, World War II, the Soviet Union, the 1960s, Watergate, the 1990s, and the New World Order” and then claim that he’s not talking about a group that’s out to get him. Such an organization, if it actually existed, would be inimical to humanity’s continued safety itself, and would be out to get pretty much everybody. Something tells me though that he’s not going to get the help he needs and we’ll read about yet another lunatic shooting up yet another group of people, as some day he’ll “find” an “Illuminatus” and decide to “take one for the team” by taking out such a dastardly figure. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/810 "2012-07-22T20:11:59Z")
Must we automatically make the jump from “insane” to “homicidally insane”? There are plenty of perfectly nice, pleasant, harmless crackpots out there that never go on to start murdering people and wearing their skin-suits. I agree that Kosmik is not right in the head, but I get tired of seeing this leap that just because someone’s nuts, that they’re a danger to everyone around them. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/811 "2012-07-22T20:49:32Z")
Yeah, but he might annoy us to death. Lock him up for our own safety! Or we could, y’know, ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/812 "2012-07-22T22:09:22Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Must we automatically make the jump from “insane” to “homicidally insane”? Necessarily? No. But if you give me a crazy person who thinks that his thoughts can influence the weather and one who thinks he has secret knowledge about a centuries old evil organization which dominates humanity for nefarious purposes and is out to get him, I’d put my money on the latter to engage in violence. And yes, because someone is insane they are indeed a potential danger to themselves and others. It’s not a leap at all. Our cognitive ability to analyze the world rationally is part of how we determine cause and effect, actions and consequences, reasonable behavior and dangerous behavior. Someone whose mind is fundamentally broken is unable to engage in these calculations. I’m not really sure how that’s much in debate. Given a choice between a sane, reasonably well adjusted person and someone who thinks that the fillings in his teeth are spying on him for the CIA, which one would you think is more likely to do something irrational? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/813 "2012-07-23T01:15:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Our cognitive ability to analyze the world rationally Which is why I am not no longer claiming that the Illuminati exist; I am claiming that the Illuminati could exist. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Such an organization, if it actually existed, would be inimical to humanity’s continued safety itself, and would be out to get pretty much everybody. Why’s that? > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Something tells me though that he’s not going to get the help he needs and we’ll read about yet another lunatic shooting up yet another group of people, as some day he’ll “find” an “Illuminatus” and decide to “take one for the team” by taking out such a dastardly figure. What do you think of We Are Change? Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to [talk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCioKnpHdY&feature=plcp) to the wealthy and powerful? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/814 "2012-07-23T01:19:37Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Are you saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to [talk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCioKnpHdY&feature=plcp) to the wealthy and powerful? I know this won’t penetrate, but this is one of the indicia of your mental illness. You evidently cannot tell the difference between the fact that some people have wealth or power, and a shadowy conspiracy that controls the world, has existed for centuries, and which nobody but people like you even knows exists. That you’ve decided to no longer say that the Illuminati exists and only that it could is mere linguistic gaming. I don’t think anybody here is fooled into thinking that you’re looking at this as just some sort of vague possibility on the same level as there being an invisible orange elephant floating above your house. Seriously, show this thread to a psychological doctor. They can help you. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/815 "2012-07-23T01:33:51Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You evidently cannot tell the difference between the fact that some people have wealth or power, and a shadowy conspiracy that controls the world, has existed for centuries, and which nobody but people like you even knows exists. What about the people talking to Lord Jacob Rothschild in [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCioKnpHdY&feature=plcp) video? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/816 "2012-07-23T01:37:29Z")
I really don’t have anything to add and I’m not interested in debating with someone who’s mentally ill. My one and only piece of advice to you is to go to a psychological doctor of one form or another and to show him or her your posts in this thread. For what it’s worth, I honestly do hope you can get well again. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/817 "2012-07-23T01:54:56Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I really don’t have anything to add and I’m not interested in debating with someone who’s mentally ill. Do not accuse me of being mentally ill. :mad: Is Alex Jones mentally ill? You sound like David Gergen who gave Alex Jones [quite the response](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHFoUZEjuNM) for doing an expose on the Bohemian Grove (even though it was in _The Washington Times_). Gergen said he disrespects Jones for ambush journalism. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/818 "2012-07-23T02:06:22Z")
You are mentally ill. Grievously so. Get help. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/819 "2012-07-23T02:10:04Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You are mentally ill. Alex Jones is not mentally ill. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/820 "2012-07-23T02:26:30Z")
I’m willing to postulate that Alex Jones is an evil fucker who’s manipulating mentally people such as yourself for his own profit, but honestly the default judgment is that he’s just as ill as you are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=42)