# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/841 "2012-07-23T15:56:59Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What about those who push anti-CTs as the default position? Show me an anti-CT predator. Who makes money off pointing out the errors, lies, distortions, and general dishonesty of the Conspiracy Theorists? An author will spend months of his or her life tracking down the various looney claims of the CTs, then laboriously digging up the information and documenting it to demonstrate that they are lies, following which the book gets purchased by a few libraries, giving the author enough spending money to pay a month’s rent each year. Meanwhile the CT predators simply invent rants at will, spouting the silliest nonsense, and hauling in cash from all sorts of fearful people who provide them an advertising base, (and often by collecting direct donations). ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/842 "2012-07-23T15:57:14Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > FinnAgain and Ravenman do not agree with each other: There are plenty of places the two of them agree. Both of them believe you are mentally ill. Both of them believe you need to seek assistance. Both of them believe that your nonsensical word salad ramblings are all the proof a licensed professional would need to treat you for a mental illness. Being unable to see where those two posters’ common ground is is troubling. Please seek help. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/843 "2012-07-23T15:58:48Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > FinnAgain and Ravenman do not agree with each other: > > So how can you agree with both FinnAgain and Ravenman? You can either agree with Ravenman or you can agree with FinnAgain. > > No wonder GD has gone downhilll. We agree you have mental issues, the question is to what degree and if you are dangerous. I have noticed that you have stopped talking in absolutes, there might be light at the end of the tunnel for you. **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/844 "2012-07-23T16:02:16Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I think this thread has reached trainwreck status. I’m going to suggest it be closed. That was the agenda before this thread was even _opened_. > [@Munch](#): > > No, I’m still right. You see, here’s how this thread is going to go: You’re going to continue giving non-sequitor “Iran exists, therefore the Illuminati must control the bees” logic, followed up with “I will now respond to Marley” (and then you never do). This nonsense will go on for numerous more pages until the mods get fed up with your bullshit and just lock this down. You’ll probably start a few more threads on the topic, but eventually you’ll piss everyone off enough that the mods will ask you to just stop posting on this topic. All in all, nothing will have been accomplished, many people will have lost hours of their lives, and everyone would have been better off if they had followed my suggestion from the IMHO thread - to just fucking ignore you. That’s the problem with _ **most** _ Dopers - always wanting to be right. But I made sure that **Munch** has to admit that he is wrong. What IMHO thread are you referring to, **Munch**? ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/845 "2012-07-23T16:04:16Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > FinnAgain and Ravenman do not agree with each other: > > So how can you agree with both FinnAgain and Ravenman? You can either agree with Ravenman or you can agree with FinnAgain. This has the makings of a good Irish drinking song. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/846 "2012-07-23T16:06:48Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > I have noticed that you have stopped talking in absolutes Because of [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15296994&postcount=799) post. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/847 "2012-07-23T16:09:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What IMHO thread are you referring to, **Munch**? The IMHO thread that you started that was eventually merged into this one. But you know what, I will admit that I was wrong. While people’s time was certainly wasted responding to your IMHO thread, and the best course of action was to just ignore it in the first place, there’s still value to be had in responding in this thread - and that is to make an effort to get you to see a professional therapist that can help you with your mental illness. Make an appointment to discuss your OCD with a professional, and then bring in this thread printed out for him to read and give you an assessment. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/848 "2012-07-23T16:12:57Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Meanwhile the CT predators simply invent rants at will, spouting the silliest nonsense, and hauling in cash from all sorts of fearful people who provide them an advertising base, (and often by collecting direct donations). This is an illustration of Jackmanni’s Law, which states: The greater the tendency to believe in conspiracy theories and to pride oneself on not being one of the “sheeple”, the more likely it is that one can be flim-flammed by entrepreneurs catering to that mindset. Thus it is that people collect large sums of money from the credulous for useless products and to promote bogus theories, successfully claiming that revelations about their bogus nature proves that They are trying to suppress the Truth. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/849 "2012-07-23T16:23:38Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > That was the agenda before this thread was even _opened_. > > That’s the problem with _ **most** _ Dopers - always wanting to be right. But I made sure that **Munch** has to admit that he is wrong. > > What IMHO thread are you referring to, **Munch**? Er have you forgotten where you are? Remember we are fighting ignorance. This is why you are constantly being asked for cites, if you could show one iota of proof that the Illuminati exist, we would be happy to hear it. I have been proved wrong several times in my short time here and don’t mind a bit, but you seem unable change your beliefs when confronted with overwhelming evidence that those beliefs are unrealistic. The IMHO thread was about trolls IIRC **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/850 "2012-07-23T16:31:45Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > The IMHO thread was about trolls IIRC No, the IMHO thread was the one Kozmik started where he would list his political beliefs (which he didn’t) and answer any questions about them (which he didn’t). It was a huge Kozmik masturbation thread, and was rightfully recombined into this thread to keep all the nonsense to one forum. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/851 "2012-07-23T16:43:13Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > No, the IMHO thread was the one Kozmik started where he would list his political beliefs (which he didn’t) and answer any questions about them (which he didn’t). It was a huge Kozmik masturbation thread, and was rightfully recombined into this thread to keep all the nonsense to one forum. See what happens when you are away from the dope for a day or two, you miss important stuff. I saw the calls for the thread and saw the merger but not the actual thread. Wrong again :smack: **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/852 "2012-07-23T16:55:12Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > This has the makings of a good Irish drinking song. \ ***FinnAgain** and **Ravenman** went down to the bar They drank some whiskey and drank some gin, jar after jar They loaded up the laptop and logged in to th’Dope They read about conspiracies, 'till they could no longer cope They had to read each word two times ‘cos they were seein’ double **Kosmik** blamed the Illuminati, and that’s what started the trouble! Hi-di-hi-di-hi-di-hi, debate turned to fisticuffs, Hi-di-hi-di-hi-di-ho, debate turned to fisticuffs!\* ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/853 "2012-07-23T17:06:33Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > :rolleyes: > [@Acsenray](#): > > What’s with the rolleyes? All that shows is that FinnAgain and Loach aren’t in a conspiracy against you. Actually we are closer to agreeing than not. I agree that the default position is that Alex Jones is a nutter. But I believe he is an evil fucker who preys on the weak. We both agree he spouts nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/854 "2012-07-23T17:39:33Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > but you seem unable change your beliefs when confronted with overwhelming evidence that those beliefs are unrealistic What about the [evidence](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15296994&postcount=799) **DrFidelius** gave? > [@tomndebb](#): > > the errors, lies, distortions, and general dishonesty of the Conspiracy Theorists What about the errors, lies, distortions, and general dishonesty of the Anti-Conspiracy Theorists? > [@Marley23](#): > > Conspiracy kooks would be a lot less aggravating if they weren’t so smug. They’d still be wrong, but they’d be much less intolerable. And anti-conspiracy propagandists would not be so derisive and condescending if they didn’t have to always be right. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/855 "2012-07-23T17:45:00Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What about the [evidence](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15296994&postcount=799) **DrFidelius** gave? \*\*DrFidelius \*\*argued that governments are in fact large group of people working together (which is something all of us already knew). How does this constitute, in any way, shape or form, evidence for the existence of the Illuminati? ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/856 "2012-07-23T17:50:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > What about the [evidence](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15296994&postcount=799) **DrFidelius** gave > > What about the errors, lies, distortions, and general dishonesty of the Anti-Conspiracy Theorists? > > And anti-conspiracy propagandists would not be so derisive and condescending if they didn’t have to always be right. 1 That in no way supports your position, that is how real world diplomacy works. 2 Name one 3 Because we are, show us one iota of evidence we are wrong and I will reconsider **CAPT** ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/857 "2012-07-23T17:50:55Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > And anti-conspiracy propagandists would not be so derisive and condescending if they didn’t have to always be right. For someone who goes on and on and on about the Illuminati, you have given absolutely no evidence that you know jack shit about them. I’ve asked you direct questions involving a couple of their groups and been blown off, which just shows that you are a shallow poser with no real knowledge, hoping that you could be seen as somebody mysteriously important. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/858 "2012-07-23T18:00:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ve asked you direct questions involving a couple of their groups and been blown off, which just shows that you are a shallow poser with no real knowledge, hoping that you could be seen as somebody mysteriously important. Your contributions in this thread: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m not sure if you know what you’re talking about, but what can you tell me about The Seattle Group and/or The Midget? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is The Seattle Group part of the Illuminati? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > ..he’s a witch! > [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’ll never be done with it-it’s a Moebius Onion that leads back to itself. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s what They _want_ you to think! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/859 "2012-07-23T18:04:32Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Your contributions in this thread: I know what I’ve posted. What can you tell me about The Seattle Group? ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/860 "2012-07-23T18:05:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What can you tell me about The Seattle Group? Stop needling him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=44)