# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1001 "2012-07-26T15:00:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It will never happen because there is no G-192 and the conspiracy doesn’t exist. That’s why you’re wasting all this time arguing that it _could_ happen - because you have no evidence it’s real even though you keep saying it is. No, he wants us to admit that it’s just possible. Then he can go on about how since there’s an infitessimally small chance that it’s possible, there’s also a very small possibility that someone could be at that meeting running the show. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1002 "2012-07-26T15:01:24Z")
And then the Illuminati will make unicorns fly out of everybody’s asses? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1003 "2012-07-26T15:03:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bullshit. I’ve seen boards where the bullshit runs unopposed. > They aren’t pleasant. So what? We are on this board. No one is supporting Kozmik. If people hadn’t responded to him the thread wouldn’t have made it to two pages. People just like hectorig crazy people because it makes them seem smart by comparison. Further, Kozmik’s ideas are unique and idiosyncratic. They wouldn’t’t gain traction even with other Cts. They are barely ideas at all. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1004 "2012-07-26T15:08:05Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Thank you master. Master… master… ! The illuminati are controlled by Ce- _is shot_ ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1005 "2012-07-26T15:10:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There are 192 countries; there is no formal organization of thse countries similar to the G-8 or G-20. That does not mean that there _couldn’t_ be. > [@Munch](#): > > since there’s an infitessimally small chance that it’s possible, there’s also a very small possibility that someone could be at that meeting running the show. As dear **Alessan** would say, “Use your imagination.” > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > No one is supporting Kozmik. I don’t need or want anyone’s support. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1006 "2012-07-26T15:14:31Z")
I can imagine any number of things. As a dabbler in writing fiction, I have practiced and exercised my imagination to the point that I can create a plausible scenario about almost anything. It is delusional to believe that my (or your) imagination defines or constrains reality in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1007 "2012-07-26T15:18:09Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > That does not mean that there _couldn’t_ be. > [@Kozmik](#): > > There is a G-192. Free tip: If you want to say something exists, you say “is.” If you want to say it doesn’t exist but could, say “could be.” And don’t pretend they’re the same thing or lie about it when you’re in a text-based medium where everybody can check what you are saying with minimal effort. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1008 "2012-07-26T15:18:21Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > That does not mean that there _couldn’t_ be. I’m now reminded of Karl Pilkington, of whom I’ve obsessed on these boards. (paraphrased) PILKINGTON: Back in the days when man and dinosaur were knocking about … GERVAIS: The dinosaurs were long gone before man. There was no time during which man and dinosaur existed at the same time. PILKINGTON: Well, why couldn’t it happen? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1009 "2012-07-26T15:20:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Free tip: If you want to say something exists, you say “is.” If you want to say it doesn’t exist but could, say “could be.” And don’t pretend they’re the same thing or lie about it when you’re in a text-based medium where everybody can check what you are saying with minimal effort. Ok. There could be a closed G-192 summit. > [@DrFidelius](#): > > It is delusional to believe that my (or your) imagination defines or constrains reality in any way. Funny. **Alessan** said that I lacked imagination. I want you to know, **DrFidelius** , that I will be proved right or wrong if there is a closed G-192 summit. We will know then. The G-20 summit was created in response to the financial crisis of 2007 - 2010. I know you can imagine what the G-192 summit would be created in response to. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1010 "2012-07-26T15:20:50Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I don’t need or want anyone’s support. I never said you did! I’m actually impressed with how you keep bludgeoning on, repeating the same sentences over and over, misreading everyone, and refusing to explain yourself at all. You are the John Henry of crazy people. ---
**Author:** ![HansGrosse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@HansGrosse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HansGrosse)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1011 "2012-07-26T15:25:36Z")
“Could be” is a really weak argument. Anything “could be” true. Why pick one over the other? You can justify just about any “could be” if you pick and choose what to focus on and what to ignore, no matter what the evidence says. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1012 "2012-07-26T15:28:04Z")
> [@HansGrosse](#): > > “Could be” is a really weak argument. Anything “could be” true. Why pick one over the other? You can justify just about any “could be” if you pick and choose what to focus on and what to ignore, no matter what the evidence says. See? Now It’s sucked you in too! ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1013 "2012-07-26T15:31:35Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Ok. There could be a closed G-192 summit. No, there couldn’t for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. You’d have to overcome all of those before a meeting like this “could” happen. If you’re willing to violate the laws of physics you “could” have a perpetual motion machine. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1014 "2012-07-26T15:33:17Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Ok. There could be a closed G-192 summit. > Funny. **Alessan** said that I lacked imagination. > > I want you to know, **DrFidelius** , that I will be proved right or wrong if there is a closed G-192 summit. We will know then. The G-20 summit was created in response to the financial crisis of 2007 - 2010. I know you can imagine what the G-192 summit would be created in response to. No. I cannot imagine a real-world situation which would require a closed meeting of all the world’s heads of state, to the exclusion of anyone else (their advisors, security, aides, etc.) that would either be secret or that they will then lie about to their constituancies, and at which they would get directions form a single mysterious person. No. Not even in a comic book. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1015 "2012-07-26T15:34:10Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I want you to know, **DrFidelius** , that I will be proved right or wrong if there is a closed G-192 summit. We will know then. Until then, or until the men in white coats come a-knocking, I guess you’ll keep going on and on about this. Meanwhile you’ve already argued for a much more than mere plausibility - you blamed the Illuminati for the U.S. Civil War. If all you can offer to back that up is “there could be a closed G-192 summit!” you shouldn’t expect anything other than laughter and pity. [See thread title.] ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1016 "2012-07-26T15:36:01Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > I know you can imagine what the G-192 summit would be created in response to. The zombie apocalypse? Do I win anything if I guess correctly? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1017 "2012-07-26T18:40:59Z")
If I may be allowed a brief but heartfelt interjection, What the everloving FUCK does any of this bullshit about an imaginary meeting of an imaginary organization of the world’s leaders have to do with the hypothesized existence of the Illuminati, and why have we spent the last five pages arguing about it???! Thank you. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1018 "2012-07-26T19:14:18Z")
Such things happen when you let a lunatic determine the topic of conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1019 "2012-07-26T19:15:01Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > If I may be allowed a brief but heartfelt interjection, > > What the everloving FUCK does any of this bullshit about an imaginary meeting of an imaginary organization of the world’s leaders have to do with the hypothesized existence of the Illuminati, and why have we spent the last five pages arguing about it???! > > Thank you. Carry on. It’s the mysterious missing 2nd step between: [ol] [li]Steal underpants[/li][li]???[/li][li]Profit![/li][/ol] Alas, now we have to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1020 "2012-07-26T19:15:56Z")
How condenscending of you to say so, anti-conspiriacy person. Note that the above remark is directed towards **Finn** , who as Michele Bachmann has so aptly noted is a stealth Illuminatist and probable Islamist as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=52)