# I pit the derisive, condenscending, anti-conspiriacy ... \[merged threads\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653 "2012-06-29T02:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1041 "2012-07-27T02:20:18Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > In two sentences, **Marley** , you condense my entire argument. You aren’t condenscending anymore! 😃 We understand what you are proposing, but we are telling you that it’s impossible. In the abstract, you can assemble any group of 192 people in a room. With the specifics of 192 heads of state, it becomes impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1042 "2012-07-27T02:24:18Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Now, I think most of the average, rational thinkers would rate the “possibility” of what you describe under “implausible.” That is, it’s so incredibly unlikely, it may as well be impossible, but since there’s nothing breaking the rules of global human affairs or the established laws of physics, they can’t honestly say with 100% certainty that it is in fact, “impossible.” **cmyk** , who I met IRL, would disagree with you, **Telemark**. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1043 "2012-07-27T02:29:12Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > **cmyk** , who I met IRL, would disagree with you, **Telemark**. A difference that makes no difference is no difference. The air molecules in your room could all end up on one side of the room, leaving a vacuum on the other side. It’s possible, but it will never happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1044 "2012-07-27T02:53:30Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > A difference that makes no difference is no difference. > [@Marley23](#): > > **Kozmik** is proposing a meeting where the only people in attendance are the 192 heads of government and one Illuminatus. > [@](#): > > **Kozmik** is proposing a meeting where the only people in attendance are the 192 heads of government. A difference that makes a difference. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1045 "2012-07-27T03:03:56Z")
Does anyone else notice that you could replace “the Illuminati” with “God” in all of Kozmik’s posts and nothing whatsoever would change? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1046 "2012-07-27T03:09:57Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > A difference that makes a difference. But it can’t happen, for all the reasons we’ve stated in this thread. You seem to be pretty good at ignoring things that you don’t have answers to. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1047 "2012-07-27T03:18:42Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > But it can’t happen, for all the reasons we’ve stated in this thread. You seem to be pretty good at ignoring things that you don’t have answers to. The only thing that was in fucking disagreement was that diplomats, advisors, security, translators, ect. would be in the meeting. You seem to be very good at ignoring things that are inconvenient. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s a big fucking difference between a **closed** meeting and a **super secret** meeting. > > The first can happen. The second can’t. > > And even for closed meetings, somebody’s recording the proceedings. You don’t expect these world leaders to remember all the details, right? And there’s usually a large contingent of diplomats and advisors hanging about. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1048 "2012-07-27T03:21:30Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > The only thing that was in fucking disagreement was that diplomats, advisors, security, translators, ect. would be in the meeting. You seem to be very good at ignoring things that are inconvienent. The problem is that you CAN’T GET THOSE LEADERS IN A ROOM TOGETHER. You can’t overcome that hurdle. Give me one reason why the President of Israel and the President of Iran would be in a meeting together? Just one? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1049 "2012-07-27T03:33:08Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Give me one reason why the President of Israel and the President of Iran would be in a meeting together? Just one? Because all the other heads of government will be attending the meeting. The President of Israel and the Prime Minister of Israel [were](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_delegates_to_the_Millennium_Summit) in a meeting together. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1050 "2012-07-27T03:38:12Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Does anyone else notice that you could replace “the Illuminati” with “God” in all of Kozmik’s posts and nothing whatsoever would change? Yeah, but Joe Pesci would be a better choice if you want to get things done. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1051 "2012-07-27T03:39:34Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Was **ElvisLives** banned or did he just stop posting? I lol’d. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1052 "2012-07-27T03:49:06Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Give me one reason why the President of Israel and the President of Iran would be in a meeting together? Just one? Because all the other heads of government will be attending the meeting. The President of Iran and the Prime Minister of Israel [were](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_delegates_to_the_Millennium_Summit) in a meeting together. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1053 "2012-07-27T03:52:54Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Yeah, but Joe Pesci would be a better choice if you want to get things done. I prefer Joe Pepsi - the choice of a new generation. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1054 "2012-07-27T05:04:01Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > A difference that makes no difference is no difference. > > The air molecules in your room could all end up on one side of the room, leaving a vacuum on the other side. It’s possible, but it will never happen. Precisely. Read between the lines here. Visitation and interaction by super-advanced, hyper-intelligent extraterrestrials with the heads of government for the last 1,000 years is _possible._ But it’s so unlikely and implausible when you take into account what that kind of secrecy would take to keep it under wraps, and for so long on top of it, you may as well call it an “impossibility” (i.e. this is not, never has been, and never could be the case). And please, answer directly and plainly. The coyness is silly and irritating. **What one thing remains?** ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1055 "2012-07-27T05:14:13Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > In two sentences, **Marley** , you condense my entire argument. Uh huh. Why couldn’t you have done it in your first post? Were you too demented, or too convinced this shit would blow everybody’s mind? It doesn’t speak well for your argument that you keep insisting it meant something else and that people “get it!” at random. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1056 "2012-07-27T05:25:11Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > Does anyone else notice that you could replace “the Illuminati” with “God” in all of Kozmik’s posts and nothing whatsoever would change? Or Xenu. Or Sauron. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1057 "2012-07-27T05:35:03Z")
Without further clarification, the only thing I can conclude is that you believe the Illuminati to be one of the following: Minions of Satan or the Antichrist of whom they must answer to. Or the opposite; Angels/God. Maybe even honest-to-god _aliens_ who have held an agenda for us primitive humans, infiltrated and manipulated our species, until some unknown end. Or, of course, wizards. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1058 "2012-07-27T11:11:59Z")
Continuing this discussion is possible, in that people can continue to type posts and the OP will continue to post replies. But it is unlikely to the point of impossible that anything meaningful will be understood by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1059 "2012-07-27T11:11:59Z")
OK, Fluffy, now imagine a cat…no, NO! It’s not a real cat! There’s no cat here. Get off the wheel. OK, now let’s pretend we have a cat in a box…how do you get a live cat in a box? Well, see, that’s kind of the point. We don’t really know whether the cat is alive or dead…no. Get off the wheel. It’s a pretend cat. You know that running on that wheel is futile anyway. If there were a cat, you’re not actually escaping. Forget it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653/1060 "2012-07-27T11:30:31Z")
Now I am wondering how \*\*Koz \*\*is going to arrange this G-192 meeting, as its origin was a thought experiment on his part to convince \*us \*of the existence of his Illuminati Primus. Or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-derisive-condenscending-anti-conspiriacy-merged-threads/626653.md?page=54)