# I pit the goat felching douchenozzle(s) who blew up the Boston Marathon **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788 "2013-04-15T20:38:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/101 "2013-04-16T07:01:43Z")
Well, I think the market and the price of gold had already bombed before the attacks in Boston, for one. And, considering there were _two_ devices, there is at least a similarity to Al Qaeda. But OTOH this doesn’t seem extraordinary enough for an international terror group. If they can afford to strike from the other side of the globe, they can figure out high-quality bombs. ---
**Author:** ![Shooby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@Shooby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shooby)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/102 "2013-04-16T07:20:53Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m one of those folks not fully on board with some of our responses to terrorism. Iraq, for example. > > But we are still far better than the terrorists. Our fighting men and women put their lives in danger, going en masse to foreign soil, flying the flag of our country, with the announced intention to kill those who are our enemies and render aid and assistance to everyone else. Our mission is then to come home safely, and if necessary, answer for anything we might have done wrong over there. > > That is bravery. > > A terrorist is the ultimate coward. Does not let his enemies know he is approaching, does not wear the emblem of his people or fly the flag of his country. Often times, their goal is to not even be at the scene of danger. Others, simply commit suicide during or after the act to avoid capture and punishment. Their goal is to render aid and assistance to no one, and simply cause untargeted damage to noncombatants. Their goal is to avoid answering for their crimes. And in their cause, they cannot seek to actually win. There is no military path to victory this way. Thing is, I can sort of sympathize with some terrorist actions, especially if you’re an occupied country or can legitimately perceive yourself as under an actual oppressive regime. If you don’t have an actual army and have no hope of defeating a huge superior force, then terrorism/guerilla warfare might be the only way to go. The Vietcong did it, and regardless of who was right there, I can understand why they fought the way they did. I can even understand why people in Iraq may plant IEDs to kill random American soldiers and Iraqis - I think it’s wrong both tactically and morally, but that kind of anger at an invading force and their collaborators is understandable and I can empathize a bit. But bombing a peaceful indiviual sporting event full of civilians and athletes? What possible goals could that help accomplish? How were those targets remotely related to their ire? If you have a fucking grievance, then address the source of that grievance, not random innocents. At least make a fucking effort and target the politicians who did the thing you don’t like, or the army that committed the airstrike, or whatever your issue is. It’d still almost certainly be an evil action, but at least it’d be somewhat relatable as a human impulse. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/103 "2013-04-16T07:49:46Z")
Terrorism and guerrilla are two different things - guerrilla tactics are “hit and run” (or, occasionally, “run to a helluva position, wait until the enemy comes, drop half a mountain on them, run again”), not “sneak in, plant a bomb, sneak out, send a note saying the deaths are the fault of the fascist opressors”. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/104 "2013-04-16T12:33:35Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m one of those folks not fully on board with some of our responses to terrorism. Iraq, for example. And I’m with you there > [@](#): > > But we are still far better than the terrorists. Our fighting men and women put their lives in danger, going en masse to foreign soil, flying the flag of our country, with the announced intention to kill those who are our enemies and render aid and assistance to everyone else. Our mission is then to come home safely, and if necessary, answer for anything we might have done wrong over there. > That is bravery. But this, not so much. [Collateral Murder](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0) [Fallujah](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yalyCk4kK-8) Have we answered for those and all the others? Are we better? > [@](#): > > A terrorist is the ultimate coward. Does not let his enemies know he is approaching, does not wear the emblem of his people or fly the flag of his country. Often times, their goal is to not even be at the scene of danger. Drones? > [@](#): > > Others, simply commit suicide during or after the act to avoid capture and punishment. Their goal is to render aid and assistance to no one, and simply cause untargeted damage to noncombatants. Their goal is to avoid answering for their crimes. And in their cause, they cannot seek to actually win. There is no military path to victory this way. They need not worry about whether their actions will help or harm their own people. They won’t be there to have to suffer through the consequences of the actions they’ve caused. They don’t have to answer to their own people when they lose a war. yeah, read that again and think about it in a different context. > [@](#): > > The myth of the bravery of the terrorist is precisely that- a myth. Like the schoolyard bully, they only attack because they know they can avoid consequences. A smaller, weaker target won’t hurt him back. His parents probably never gave a damn. The school can give detention, which is the same as the rest of his school day- sit and learn nothing. and this. Substitute the government and military of an entire country for ‘terrorist’ and read it again. > [@](#): > > … > They kill children without showing their face. I can’t think of a greater insult than that. How pathetic do you have to be? How could you possibly call yourself a warrior or a fighter? There is literally nothing lower on this earth. I can’t think of anyone lower than that either. But I don’t see how you can differentiate between this kind of terrorism and that which we have visited upon a disgustingly long list of brown people in other parts of the world. For a very long time. Me?, I don’t condone either one; neither the ‘official’ nor the unofficial terrorism. But I can’t for the life of me see any difference and couldn’t just let your post stand unchallenged. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/105 "2013-04-16T12:44:36Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > And the Fox-induced frenzy of rabid hatred is [already starting](http://samuel-warde.com/2013/04/erik-rush-tweets-all-muslims-should-be-killed-in-reponse-to-boston-explosions/). The bombing is turning out to be quite the Rorschach test for some people. Right now we don’t know who did this. It might be foreigners or US citizens. It might be one person, or it might be a group. It might be Al Qaeda or it might be a random lunatic. But as that link shows, some people hate Muslims so much that they rush to blame and judge them. Here on the SDMB many people hate the Tea Party so much they rush to blame and judge them. It’s too bad. It really sucks that people can be so partisan as to be blinded by it. The lack of self awareness is just astonishing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/106 "2013-04-16T12:46:05Z")
Yes, speculating that it might be right wing terrorism at work because it happened on Patriot’s day and tax day and in Boston famous for the tea party is totally the same thing as wanting to eradicate all Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/107 "2013-04-16T12:49:26Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yes, speculating that it might be right wing terrorism at work because it happened on Patriot’s day and tax day and in Boston famous for the tea party is totally the same thing as wanting to eradicate all Muslims. Forget about the eradicating them all part being his desired outcome. It’s more important that because he wants them all eradicated he can’t imagine that anyone else could have been responsible. Just like many posters here hate the Tea Party so much they can’t imagine anyone else being responsible. Do you honestly not see this? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/108 "2013-04-16T12:50:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Saw an intertubes rumor that the Westbummer Church was going to picket the funerals. They better hope none of the funerals are in Southie. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/109 "2013-04-16T12:52:43Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Forget about the eradicating them all part being his desired outcome. It’s more important that because he wants them all eradicated he can’t imagine that anyone else could have been responsible. Just like many posters here hate the Tea Party so much they can’t imagine anyone else being responsible. > > Do you honestly not see this? Who are we talking about? I haven’t read every post, but most of the posts are more like “Hmm, in Boston on tax day, sounds like it might be tea party thing”, not “I KNOW 100% IT IS RIGHT WING KOOKS” It’s pretty reasonable circumstantially to speculate in that direction. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/110 "2013-04-16T13:02:09Z")
> [@Explosions at Boston Marathon](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/15): > > I’d bet some teabagger(s) on Tax Day. > [@Explosions at Boston Marathon](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/76): > > This is the only possible explanation. > [@Explosions at Boston Marathon](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/24): > > Look up “McVeigh, Timothy”. > [@Explosions at Boston Marathon](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/25): > > Took the words right out of my mouth. These are all just from the first two pages of the MPSIMS thread and were all before 5PM yesterday. Then, of course, you have the OP of this very thread: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Stupid, ignorant psychopath(s). > > I’ll be very surprised if this isn’t some horribly conceived “tax day protest”. > > :rolleyes: > > This is some fucked up shit right here. This isn’t thoughtful speculation as to the identity of the attacker. This is just knee jerk reactions by people who can’t see past their own hatred of right wingers. Generally speaking I don’t like the ideas that Liberals have about running the country because I don’t think they’re good for the country. But I can’t imagine hating them so much that in response to this attack I automatically shout “It must be them! You want proof? Bill Ayers!” That would be just sick. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/111 "2013-04-16T13:08:12Z")
If an abortion clinic were bombed, your first suspect would be a religious anti-abortion nutjob. Now the circumstantial evidence around this isn’t nearly so strong - but tax day and the Boston tea party connection is not minor. It would have to be a strange coincidence if this turns out to be Al Qaeda or something. It’s still certainly possible, but let’s not act like militant right wing terrorism isn’t the leading circumstantial candidate here. You’re acting as if some random café or something got bombed on some random date and people just want to blame any act of terrorism on right wing extremists. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/112 "2013-04-16T13:10:45Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > This isn’t thoughtful speculation as to the identity of the attacker. This is just knee jerk reactions by people who can’t see past their own hatred of right wingers. Yes, it’s speculation. No, it’s not driven by hate, but by experience. That’s already been explained to you, but your own hatreds prevent you from understanding it. > [@](#): > > automatically shout “It must be them! …” That would be just sick. It might be, if that was actually what was happening. However, once again, your hate, which by definition you cannot acknowledge, forces you to reject that reality and substitute your own. Perhaps you’ll one day realize you’re part of the problem. Or perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/113 "2013-04-16T13:11:33Z")
Indeed, the one person in that list who claims certainty is probably lying. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/114 "2013-04-16T13:15:05Z")
I know I’m a bad person, that has been established, but when someone at work said that there had been a bombing at the Boston Marathon, I said, “those Adult Swim guys have gone too far this time.” ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/115 "2013-04-16T13:22:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If an abortion clinic were bombed, your first suspect would be a religious anti-abortion nutjob. This isn’t analogous to an abortion clinic bombing. Not even close. The Boston Marathon is a huge international event. Anyone could choose it as a target. > [@](#): > > It would have to be a strange coincidence if this turns out to be Al Qaeda or something. Why? Why wouldn’t Al Qaeda want to bomb the Boston Marathon? That’s what they do. > [@](#): > > let’s not act like militant right wing terrorism isn’t the leading circumstantial candidate here. Yes, on the SDMB it certainly is. Which is sad, because this isn’t the case with any normal group of people who aren’t blinded by partisan hatred. > [@](#): > > You’re acting as if some random café or something got bombed on some random date and people just want to blame any act of terrorism on right wing extremists. I’m acting like that because I honestly believe this to be the case. If the marathon was held on Tuesday instead of Monday and in NYC instead of Boston the reaction from many on the SDMB would be the same. “Must be the Tea Party.” :rolleyes: Note that I don’t think this is true of **everyone** who’s been posting speculation. It’s possible to thoughtfully consider nature of the attacker and consider various things in that speculation. But that’s not what I’m seeing from **ElvisL1ves**. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/116 "2013-04-16T13:23:30Z")
I think the fact there has been no credible claim of responsibility from Al Qaeda mitigates against it being one of their operations. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/117 "2013-04-16T13:26:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I think the fact there has been no credible claim of responsibility from Al Qaeda mitigates against it being one of their operations. And the single most similar previous attack was the Atlanta Olympic bombing. I’m still completely on the fence on this one, however, and believe that any rational person must be sitting up here with me. We really just don’t know anything at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/118 "2013-04-16T13:27:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I think the fact there has been no credible claim of responsibility from Al Qaeda mitigates against it being one of their operations. Agreed. But this information wasn’t known yesterday when those posts were made. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/119 "2013-04-16T13:27:35Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I know I’m a bad person, that has been established, but when someone at work said that there had been a bombing at the Boston Marathon, I said, “those Adult Swim guys have gone too far this time.” That incident occurred to me also. But this one is real, and they seemed to have learned something since then. Despite the media’s obsession with reporting every rumor as quickly as possible in the off chance that it turns out to be true and they said it first, the whole story has been handled well by authorities and comparatively better by the media. Most statements are qualified, and they’ve made it clear we don’t know who did this or why as yet. Let’s hope we do find out in the end, we haven’t come to a conclusion on every act of terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788/120 "2013-04-16T13:27:44Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > This isn’t analogous to an abortion clinic bombing. Not even close. The Boston Marathon is a huge international event. Anyone could choose it as a target. But why would they pick that, out of many international events? You can handwave and deny the obvious symbology if you like, but that doesn’t help you. > [@](#): > > Why? Why wouldn’t Al Qaeda want to bomb the Boston Marathon? That’s what they do. They do? What makes you think so? They’ve denied it, btw. What’s all that about jumping to conclusions? :dubious: > [@](#): > > Yes, on the SDMB it certainly is. Which is sad, because this isn’t the case with any normal group of people who aren’t blinded by partisan hatred. IOW, “no u”. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I’m acting like that because I honestly believe this to be the case. If the marathon was held on Tuesday instead of Monday and in NYC instead of Boston the reaction from many on the SDMB would be the same. “Must be the Tea Party.” And you decry others’ “partisan hatred”, on the basis of some shit you simply made up there. > [@](#): > > :rolleyes: Back atcha. > [@](#): > > But that’s not what I’m seeing from **ElvisL1ves**. You’re not seeing a damn thing except what you \*want \*to see. I think we all know why. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-goat-felching-douchenozzle-s-who-blew-up-the-boston-marathon/655788.md?page=7)