# I Pit the Hatred of Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284 "2016-07-30T14:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/181 "2016-08-05T22:25:14Z")
Education, you say? When segregated schools were equal but separate? You seriously want that back. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/182 "2016-08-05T22:25:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I wonder what it is about the 50s that renders morons incapable of separating the good from the bad. Perhaps you could speak to this issue. 😃 > > My objection to the way things are now vs. the 50s has nothing to do with sexism or racism and everything to do with the way people behave. Also the way government is run…especially when it comes to education. How exactly do people behave differently than they did in the 50’s that you find objectionable? What remedies are you proposing to reverse that trend? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/183 "2016-08-05T22:58:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No tautology is involved. > > If you seriously need me to explain why a failure to discuss the liquor section of the store does not vitiate the honesty of “They were out of Swiss cheese,” let me know. > > But I will explain here why I believe it is valuable to correct hyperbole like “…as honest as she’s able to be.” > > “As honest as she’s able to be,” as used here does not come across as unambiguous hyperbole. The speaker is suggesting, literally, that the only instances of dishonesty from Secretary Clinton arise from complex situations which were imperfectly summarized by simple answers – that her attempts to communicate honestly were frustrated by the complexity of the factual framework. > > That’s not true. In fact, Secretary Clinton has lied in order to make herself look better than the truth would. That may well be a necessity of modern politics – or indeed of politics in any age – but it’s not correct to call that “as honest as [one] is able to be.” > > Again, I absolutely agree that her dishonesty pales when compared to Trump’s reckless disregard for the truth. But that does not entitle her to the benefit of “as honest as she’s able,” and I’m not willing to let that comment pass unremarked. Bricker is absolutely correct in this post. No need for a soliloquy from me to expand on it. I can’t even add to this without taking away from the clarity of it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/184 "2016-08-12T03:29:21Z")
I’m bumping this thread to mention **Saint Cad** ’s thread “A rational (fact-based) discussion on Trump v Clinton” Only a hateful ignoramus could find cause to compare Benghazi and Trump University. **Cad** ’s entire thread is so stupidly misconceived that any “rational” discussion of it would need to be in this forum to comply with Board rules. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/185 "2016-08-12T13:15:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Are you demanding that everyone who voted for the resolution be thrown out of office? I would be OK with that. I bet you would be too because it would get us back the house and the senate. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/186 "2016-08-12T13:27:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > They’re paid money for giving speeches? Should they negotiate those fees downward? (“$300,000 is too much! Can you just take me out for brunch afterward? I promise not to order the expensive lobster.”) They’re paid that money by monied interests that have no real interest in the content of their speeches so much as the access it buys them. Do we know the content of those speeches yet? > [@](#): > > Those who call her inexperienced have only contemptible ignorance. Who says that she is inexperienced? They might have said that during her first run for the white house (when she seemed to be relying on her experience as the wife of the president as experience) but who calls her inexperienced now? If anything her abundance of experience seems to be used against her in painting her as a Washington insider. > [@](#): > > The usual charge by the idiot Dopers — the only charge, really — is that she stood up and said Yea" when the vote was taken on S.J. Res. 45 “A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.” It’s a safe bet that none of these morons ever actually read the speech she gave in the Senate discussing her vote: How about her cozy ties with monied interests? How about the way the DNC tilted the playing field in her direction? How about the Clinton Foundation and the money it received from TransCanada, I don’t think it bought them the State Department approval but I think it might have bought them access that those smelly treehuggers didn’t have (BTW, I support the Keystone XL pipeline). > [@](#): > > Is Hillary particularly charismatic? Many who know her find her intensely likeable one-on-one but she’s not good on the big TV stage. So let’s throw her under the bus and put Donald Trump in the White House. :smack: Charisma is often considered a desirable quality in a leader. The ability to influence people and get them to follow your lead is frequently seem as a necessary quality in a leader. > [@](#): > > All the Dopers condemning Hillary make me want to puke. Keep prattling your pathetic ignorance — I’m sure you were far too smug to read the speech extracts I just gave. In the unlikely event any of you imbeciles has anything intelligent to say, please say it soon as I’m tempted to set all y’all to “Ignore.” Hillary is lucky she is running against Trump. She would have lost against McCain (who would not have been cornered into picking Palin for VP against her). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/187 "2016-08-12T13:28:51Z")
> [@akennett](#): > > And she’s made a point throughout the campaign thus far to talk about how she’s got great judgement. Her record shows that she has horrible judgement. Compared to who? You know who she is running against, right? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/188 "2016-08-12T13:41:27Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I maintain that the Clintons are Americana at its very best. Not what we pretend to be or want to be, but what we are! > > Their marriage has lasted over 40 years. > Their daughter Chelsea turned out fine. > Bill Clinton’s Presidency turned out fine, and don’t tell me his wife wasn’t his co-President. > > And AMERICA NEEDS A FEMALE PRESIDENT, and Hilary is the best qualified! AMERICA NEEDS THE BEST PRESIDENT IT CAN MUSTER WITH OR WITHOUT A PENIS, and Hillary is the most qualified. Their marriage has lasted 40 years through Monica Lewinsky, Jennifer Flowers, etc. about 60% of marriage from their generation have lasted 40 years or to death did they part. I submit that a LOT of people have daughters that have turned out just fine. Hillary wasn’t Bill’s Co-President, ever. After the failed attempt at health care reform and the Republican takeover of the house in 1994 she was not much more influential than most first ladies. She was certainly exercising cabinet member levels of authority until then. But then Hillarycare failed and they lost the house (in part because of the assault weapons ban). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/189 "2016-08-12T13:43:03Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I’m certainly not a Hilary hater: I plan on voting for her, and I have reasonable hope that she’ll be a good president. But to play Devil’s Advocate: > > You know who else was extremely smart and extremely well qualified? Richard Nixon. I think some of the more reasonable “haters” think, or at least fear, that Hilary has the same flaws as Tricky Dick. That plus most really smart successful lawyers in the private sector don’t make as much in their lifetime as the Clintons. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/190 "2016-08-12T13:51:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So, I was correct in guessing that the Hillary Haters never read that speech. Where I went wrong was thinking you might have the attention span to read a few excerpts. \*\*\*Obviously you couldn’t even do that! > > * * * > > I should have just provided a TL;DR for simpletons: **Hillary voted for S.J. Res. 45 _not_ because she wanted Bush to pursue a stupid preemptive war in Iraq but _because she didn’t._** > > I do especially admire the smallish number of politicians, including Gore, Obama but very few others (and certainly not Trump) who strongly opposed that foolish war, but Hillary lays out strong reasons why, _given the actualities of the Bush-Cheney outlook_, the Resolution was the best of poor choices. This is not the thread for detailed discussion of our Iraq Misadventure but I wonder if some of you ignoramuses thought Saddam was an OK guy who’d done nothing wrong. :smack: There were a lot of bad people out there (some of them like Kim Jong Il actually had nuclear weapons programs), but voting to give Bush a gun so he wouldn’t have to shoot anyone is a pretty bad failure in judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/191 "2016-08-12T13:56:43Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m sure the Trump campaign will appreciate your wasted vote. Any vote, or non-vote, for anybody other than Hillary is a vote for that dangerous psycho, and I thought you were smart enough to know that, for the sake of your nation, you need to put your spite aside and do the right thing. You know the Trump campaign says exactly that to any Republican that want to stay home. So, would you like to hazard a guess whether Airman tends to vote Republican or Democrat? A non-vote by a Republican-leaning voter is something I thought you might want to encourage. I have no idea which way Airman actually votes but there are people on BOTH sides that are staying home this election ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/192 "2016-08-12T14:02:09Z")
Feel free to speak your mind, **Damuri**. Don’t be shy-we all want to hear your glittering words of wisdom. You’re on my ignore list, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/193 "2016-08-12T14:10:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The country is entitled to not having a Republican president. That puts the onus on every voter to cast a ballot that will cancel out, or better, overwhelm, a vote for the Republican candidate\*. > > Abstentions and third-party votes do neither. > > \*(again: yes, yes, especially THIS Republican) Aside from the fact that he panders to the worst of us, he is perhaps the most liberal Republican candidate we have seen in a lifetime (or more). ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/194 "2016-08-12T19:58:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Aside from the fact that he panders to the worst of us, he is perhaps the most liberal Republican candidate we have seen in a lifetime (or more). Not really. I used to think that, too, but he has no problem repudiating his previously stated liberal views. He’s goes against Republican conservatism, but the direction he is going isn’t really liberal. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/195 "2016-08-12T20:07:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I wonder what it is about the 50s that renders morons incapable of separating the good from the bad. Perhaps you could speak to this issue. 😃 > > My objection to the way things are now vs. the 50s has nothing to do with sexism or racism and everything to do with the way people behave. Also the way government is run…especially when it comes to education. All of those “good” things only existed because of the minorities being silenced. There was a monoculture. The civility was lost in the civil rights era. You can’t be civil while fighting for your rights. Plus you are a Trump supporter. You support someone who does the exact opposite of the things you say people should do. His government is different, and his attitude is to be the biggest jerk. And you cheer when he is completely uncivil. The second you started supporting Trump, we learned your shit about the civility of the 1950s was a lie. Maybe it’s a lie you tell yourself, but it’s still a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/196 "2016-08-13T15:12:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > but voting to give Bush a gun so he wouldn’t have to shoot anyone is a pretty bad failure in judgment. So, voting to give Trump access to The Bomb so he wouldn’t have to detonate a nuclear weapon over anyone must be a pretty bad failure in judgment too, amIright? Hey, I’m just pointing out a potential shitty voting gaffe. Who knows if 15 years from now “voting for Trump” might still be thrown up in Your face…? 😃 …because whats good for the goose is good for your [del]slander[/del] pander… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/197 "2016-08-13T15:38:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > voting to give Bush a gun so he wouldn’t have to shoot anyone is a pretty bad failure in judgment. Excellent point. Now compare it to your view of the Second Amendment. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/198 "2016-08-13T21:44:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You know the Trump campaign says exactly that to any Republican that want to stay home. So, would you like to hazard a guess whether Airman tends to vote Republican or Democrat? > > A non-vote by a Republican-leaning voter is something I thought you might want to encourage. I have no idea which way Airman actually votes but there are people on BOTH sides that are staying home this election I’ve known him for over a decade, and he has always seemed a moderately conservative Republican. I hope he’s learning that his kind is no longer welcome in the Republican Party, just like us Rockefeller Republicans saw where we stood in 1980. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/199 "2016-08-13T21:58:12Z")
How come the people with this overwhelming ‘aversion to liars’ never address the The Donald’s claims and history? I mean, her staunchest supporter wouldn’t say Hillary is perfect. If lying is a big deal to folks, I understand, but then compare her to the only alternative as a future president. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/200 "2016-08-13T22:01:35Z")
It’s all about supporting a supercilious, underinformed attitude that “they all do it”. It lets the holder feel superior without the hard, unrewarding work of doing any actual research or thought. IOW, All politicians are crooked, Hillary is a politician, you know the rest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=11)