# I Pit the Hatred of Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284 "2016-07-30T14:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/201 "2016-08-20T18:47:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Not really. I used to think that, too, but he has no problem repudiating his previously stated liberal views. He’s goes against Republican conservatism, but the direction he is going isn’t really liberal. So we can ignore the 60+ years of his life before he saw Michael Bloomberg (a pretty liberal dude) become mayor of NYC by running as a Republican and just rely on the shit he has been saying to win Republican votes? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/202 "2016-08-20T21:29:06Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > So, voting to give Trump access to The Bomb so he wouldn’t have to detonate a nuclear weapon over anyone must be a pretty bad failure in judgment too, amIright? > Hey, I’m just pointing out a potential shitty voting gaffe. Who knows if 15 years from now “voting for Trump” might still be thrown up in Your face…? 😃 > > …because whats good for the goose is good for your [del]slander[/del] pander… What makes you think that anyone is voting for Trump? Our choice this year is between a turd sandwich and a brutal assraping while eating a turd sandwich. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/203 "2016-08-20T21:31:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Excellent point. Now compare it to your view of the Second Amendment. :rolleyes: There is a difference between giving someone (who wants to shoot some guy) a gun so they won’t shoot some guy and giving someone a gun so that some other guy won’t try to shoot them. Its the difference between deterrence and accessory to murder. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/204 "2016-08-20T21:32:56Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’ve known him for over a decade, and he has always seemed a moderately conservative Republican. I hope he’s learning that his kind is no longer welcome in the Republican Party, just like us Rockefeller Republicans saw where we stood in 1980. Some Rockerfeller Republicans still haven’t figured it out. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/205 "2016-08-20T21:38:37Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > How come the people with this overwhelming ‘aversion to liars’ never address the The Donald’s claims and history? I mean, her staunchest supporter wouldn’t say Hillary is perfect. If lying is a big deal to folks, I understand, but then compare her to the only alternative as a future president. Not that I would vote for either of them but: > **[Gary Johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson)** > > Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman and politician who served as the 29th governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003 as a member of the Republican Party. He has been a member of the Libertarian Party since 2011 and was the party's nominee for President of the United States in the 2012 and 2016 elections. He was also the Libertarian nominee in the 2018 U.S. Senate election in New Mexico. > Johnson entered politics for the first time by running for governor of New ... > **[Jill Stein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein)** > > Jill Ellen Stein (born May 14, 1950) is an American physician, activist, and politician. She was the Green Party's nominee for president of the United States in the 2012 and 2016 elections and the Green-Rainbow Party's candidate for governor of Massachusetts in 2002 and 2010. She is currently running for president in the 2024 United States presidential election. > Her campaigns for president have focused heavily on the proposal of a Green New Deal, which includes a number of reforms intended to... I suspect more people will be voting against someone this year than in the past. And that means voting for Trump or Hillary ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/206 "2016-08-21T00:34:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not that I would vote for either of them but: > > [Gary Johnson - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson) > > [Jill Stein - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein) > > I suspect more people will be voting against someone this year than in the past. And that means voting for Trump or Hillary Gary Johnson is against regime change, but wants to change the regime in North Korea, with China’s help. He doesn’t think they’ll have any qualms about placing Seoul in charge of the entire peninsula. Jill Stein is pandering to anti-vaxxers and is apparently anti-GMO. IOW, crazy on one side and a lying politician on the other. But neither is as successful as their more well known counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/207 "2016-08-21T01:58:11Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Hey septimoo. > > My response: > Some of the foaming at the mouth is indeed ridiculous. However, she is very unlikeable for much more legitimate reasons. > > I dislike Hillary Clinton on a personal level due to the debates I’ve seen her in, and in interviews, where she avoids answering tough questions directly, gives generic politician answers, and really forces a polished politician’s smile. She oozes insincerity. If you’d like, I can link you some clips. It’s not just how she’s saying, it’s what she’s saying and what she avoids addressing. You’d think she’d be comfortable in “liberal” media settings like late night talk shows, the Daily Show appearances, or being interviewed by liberal-leaning networks, and she looks and feels uncomfortable and it makes me feel uncomfortable just watching her. That’s the skeevy vibe I get from her, which I’m aware is just a visceral reaction and also one I should set aside. It factors very little in how I vote. Had she a record of speaking the honest truth in spite of how she makes me feel when she speaks, or had she a more progressive and less centrist or late-to-the-scene political record on social issues, economic issues, and so forth, I’d swallow my personal dislike of her much, much more. What matters are what she says, what she means, whether she’s trustworthy, and where she stands. I don’t have to like someone on a personal level to support them. John Kerry, for example, has all the charisma of a urine soaked rag, and I still supported him. > > On policy positions, she has essentially the exact same political positions as Barack Obama, and I strongly supported Obama over her, because Obama did support more liberal policies than Hillary, and did much, much better in debates and interviews. The difference between her and Bernie Sanders is even more pronounced. Her campaign’s tactics and her debate performances between her and her Democratic opposition shows her to be more concerned with political power for herself than her own dedication to the truth, liberal policies, or even the good of the country. The way the party establishment prefers her, and given how closely linked she is to Donald Trump, makes me feel more and more like the system is just a shell game. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, one donated to the other repeatedly, the other attended the former’s wedding and sat in the front row. So despite their current rhetoric, I do not trust either of them. I would prefer a candidate that has more principled stands against their supposed opposition, and is not supported by an establishment that continually obstructs needed reforms on campaign finance and voting laws, and totally ignores the working class and “starvation wages” as Bernie correctly called them, considering how much is needed in food stamps to support those on those wages. The establishment Republican and Democratic party insiders help themselves and do little for anyone else, and she’s very much a Democratic party insider. > > For those very legitimate reasons, I strongly dislike Hillary Clinton. > I will be voting for Hillary, because she will not pack the court with the conservative coat hanger brigade. If she continues along the same lines as Obama, with less charisma and popular support, she represents a whole lot of the status quo for the next several years, which isn’t progress, but it is much better than Trump. Not for anything special on her part, though. Simply because the opposition is that much worse. > They clearly can and do make a ton of money in their private lives due mostly to the political connections, exposure, fame, and demand for their books, what they charge in terms of paid speeches or public appearances. Given the dirty and money-grubbing nature of our politics, I don’t automatically admire someone for choosing this path. It is a path paved with money, connections, and power. Hardly charity work. I’m not impressed by serving in office alone. Republicans serve as career politicians and it’s not charity work for them either, but lucrative business. They’re quite rich and it has everything to do with what they do. > > They can charge whatever they want, and more power to them. > > But, if the issue is something like regulating industries, or getting a living wage, if you receive huge donations from those who own or work for extremely wealthy and massive corporations, and you accept massive speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, there is a legitimate question as to whether you are the best person to fight the political fight on behalf of the people who cannot afford to pay you such fees or donate those sums of money. > > I trust Bernie on those issues, and never Clinton. She is not a Warren, or a Frank, or a Sanders. She is a Clinton and is very comfortable accepting money from those who use all their political and financial power to shaft the general public and the working class in particular, and you won’t find her on the front lines of the fights for those key issues that matter most to me. She may, incidentally, support regulation or wage increases, if and when there’s political support from the Democratic party and such legislation makes it through Congress and it lands on her desk. Maybe. But she will not lead on those issues, or take risks to push those issues forward. She’s not a leader on any of the key issues that matter to me, her original stance on Healthcare not included. I did admire her proposal for universal healthcare in the 90s. > > As you can see, it is not blanket hatred of Hillary that drives me. These are nuanced, intelligent, learned positions based on the facts. And I can see when and where Hillary has been an ally to my political interests. But, just like with Obama, I can also see where he or she has been a poor leader or has lagged behind others, or has been too milquetoast and compromised too much. > > Her Senate record wasn’t actually that great. She essentially occupied the space, she was not a leader. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not aware of anything she really did while she was in the Senate. I admit, however, I haven’t invested a lot of time looking, so I welcome a correction. However, I am familiar with Sander’s record in the Senate and it is beyond impressive. > > Obama’s position in opposition of the Iraq war was more pronounced than Hillary’s, and one of the main deciding factors when I made that decision in 08. I am not very impressed by Hillary’s stance or voting record on that matter. I do trust her more than I trust most Republicans on this issue, but not more than many Democrats. > > No, she has poor charisma but I’d suffer it compared to Donald. My main objection to her is the collusion, the lying, her party insider and pro-establishment nature, her history of defending the status quo. She has parts where she’s ok, on women’s issues and children’s issues, as you say. But that simply puts points on the board, while she has too many negatives for me to support her except when compared to worse candidates. I know she will more often than not represent the interests of parties I am opposed to, and thus, am not supporting her. I am simply voting for her. > > One last thing: The argument that Hillary will get things done, while Bernie is too pie in the sky to get anything done, ignores Bernie’s record of being one of the most productive Congressmen. > > [http://observer.com/2016/03/how-bernie-gets-things-done-in-congress-without-being-bought-off/](http://observer.com/2016/03/how-bernie-gets-things-done-in-congress-without-being-bought-off/) > > [http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you](http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you) > > [Barney vs. Bernie: Sanders Is the Real 'Progressive Who Gets Things Done' | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/barney-vs-bernie-sanders_b_9624560.html) > > Google Sanders record in Congress. He gets a massive amount of amendments through even in a Republican controlled Congress. > > Sorry, it’s a myth that he’s too liberal or too idealistic to get anything done. His record is much better than either Hillary’s or Obama’s, to be frank, better than almost any Democrat. > > Despite his liberal leanings, he is bipartisan, and a gentleman, and is passionate about the issues but very rarely negative. He is very likeable, and the rest of the Senate gets along with Bernie anytime they aren’t in the middle of running for office and have to distance themselves from an actual liberal. > > Clinton is a sometimes liberal, mostly status quo, mostly centrist, calculating, habitual liar. She has some qualities offsetting those negatives, but it’s not enough to make me like her. Donald Trump \*is \*an utter cesspool. No question, no argument there. That’s kind of why I wish the choice wasn’t between the Donald and someone often associated with the Donald. > > I like you bruh, but if you paint all opposition to Hillary as irrational, you’re being irrational yourself. If I wasn’t old and happily married for 40 years I would hang out at your pizza place. This is exactly how I feel about Hillary. As a women of an age I am still totally pissed off at how Bill treated Monica and how Hillary went along with it (note that I voted for Bill twice). I don’t trust her, I don’t like her and if I had any other choice I wouldn’t vote for her. Why? She started the Obama birther thing, she lied about being under fire, she has lied again and again about her emails, her and Bill have made a fortune while doing “public service” their charity is questionable and not transparent at all… Unfortunately she is running against Donald “Cheeto” Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/208 "2016-08-21T13:35:43Z")
sinjin! I feel like it’s been ages since we talked. It might just be my memory. I can’t even remember… Mafia games or… some other discussion? Here’s the consolation prize for voting Hillary Clinton: Just remember, on policy positions, she’s not much worse than Obama. She won’t pack the court with coathanger brigade people. That’s not a lot of things to be thankful for but it’s something. Her character is a mess. Fortunately, most of the things that matter happen in Congress which will probably be deadlocked again. If Trump got in, no such guarantees that progress wouldn’t be reversed on multiple fronts. HRC is the doorstop candidate. She’ll just be there not making things worse, or not that much worse. That’s how I’ve psyched myself into voting her. But she really is the Richard Nixon of the Democratic party. Still, Nixon went to China and did the EPA and OSHA. If you can overlook the fact that he was a lying crook, he was better than most of the other Republican presidents of the 20th century, and he’d probably be a Democrat today. Today’s Democrats are yesterday’s Republicans, and today’s Republicans are yesterday’s nationalists. Which is why I’m still looking for a liberal party to vote for… and wish Jill Stein wasn’t representing the Greens. End up voting Hillary just because it’s the least bad and most likely to win. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/209 "2016-08-21T17:00:16Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > If I wasn’t old and happily married for 40 years I would hang out at your pizza place. This is exactly how I feel about Hillary. As a women of an age I am still totally pissed off at how Bill treated Monica and how Hillary went along with it (note that I voted for Bill twice). I don’t trust her, I don’t like her and if I had any other choice I wouldn’t vote for her. Why? She started the Obama birther thing, she lied about being under fire, she has lied again and again about her emails, her and Bill have made a fortune while doing “public service” their charity is questionable and not transparent at all… Unfortunately she is running against Donald “Cheeto” Trump. No, she did not “start the Obama birther thing.” Some of her disgruntled supporters did, but she never had anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/210 "2016-08-21T18:57:51Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > No, she did not “start the Obama birther thing.” Some of her disgruntled supporters did, but she never had anything to do with it. Of course not, but she condoned it while she was contesting the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/211 "2016-08-21T21:40:00Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Of course not, but she condoned it while she was contesting the nomination. Cite? My recollection is quite different. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/212 "2016-08-25T15:30:28Z")
I still abominate you Hillary haters. But I sympathize with those of you who are just ignorant, bombarded by others’ hatred, and conclude “Well, with all the hatred of Hillary there must be _something_ behind it.” My advice is to take the opposite track. The louder the right-wing blowhards like Coulter and Hannity bray, the more you should just assume the opposite of what they say is true. Recall Kerry, the Vietnam War hero who ran against a shirker. American voters came out against the hero (“There seemed to be some question about his war record” was a typical voter comment) while voting for GWB the shirker! _ **And you Hillary-haters are still prattling your ignorance or foul lies in GD threads.** _ :mad: It’s not yet clear whether you’ll just turn President Hillary into a 4-year lame duck, with gridlock while China and Russia are permitted to take over the world, or whether you’ll actually succeed in getting Donald Trump elected. Either way, you’re to blame for the likely problems in America’s near-term future. [Here’s a story that explains why the latest accusations against Hillary are just more lies.](http://www.vox.com/2016/8/24/12618446/ap-clinton-foundation-meeting) The article points out the Hillary haters have little ignorant minds and can’t read past the headlines to learn that the latest charge is that Hillary, while Sec’y of State, met with people like > [@](#): > > Muhammad Yunus [who] not only won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize but has also been honored with a Presidential Medal of Freedom and a Congressional Gold Medal. In 2008 he was No. 2 on Foreign Policy’s list of the “top 100 global thinkers,” and Ted Turner put him on the board of the UN Foundation. He’s received the World Food Prize, the International Simon Bolivar Prize, and the Prince of Asturias Award for Concord. My Goodness! The duplicitous slut met with Muhammad Yunus?? It’s only a short leap from there to believe she was making secret trips to Abbottabad and giving blow-jobs to Osama bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/213 "2016-08-25T17:12:53Z")
I think you chose a very rude way to present your ideas. Saying that if you don’t agree with me about Hillary, you are ignorant. I think there could have been a much more pleasant way to express your views. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/214 "2016-08-25T17:22:15Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > I think you chose a very rude way to present your ideas. Saying that if you don’t agree with me about Hillary, you are ignorant. I think there could have been a much more pleasant way to express your views. Since I read posts in a flat format, I couldn’t see your previous post that was answered so rudely. Now I see that none of your 22 posts have been in this thread. Are you objecting to the OP? Please, express yourself in detail. Also, be aware that this is the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/215 "2016-08-25T17:30:15Z")
Sorry, I do understand this is the pit. I don’t hate Hillary, but I don’t like her. I feel that she is dishonest. I do feel that people have the right to hate her, and I think that there are real reasons why people do. I do not think Trump is any better. It seems that a lot of the dope is left leaning, which is cool, however I think that this message here is saying, “If you hate Hillary, your a right wing idiot”. I think that’s fucked up IMO. I know I don’t have a lot of posts, I am new. I mostly read and think upon things to myself. Don’t kill me. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/216 "2016-08-25T17:37:46Z")
> [@](#): > > …I think you chose a very rude way to present your ideas. Saying that if you don’t agree with me about Hillary, you are ignorant. I think there could have been a much more pleasant way to express your views. Regrettably, it appears that your limited cognitive abilities have hampered your capacity to dispel your ignorance. Please understand that our “war on ignorance” does not necessarily imply any attack on the victims of ignorance. And it would truly be a wonderful thing if ignorance could be resolved by osmosis, that ignorance could leak out of your pie-hole and be replaced by information by way of your input receptors. Sadly, no. Once ignorance has calcified in the brain-pan, it becomes much more resistant to evaporation and replacement with information molecules. As a result, we become more frustrated and irritable. It is very similar to the annoyance you experience when losing at tic-tac-toe with a chicken. And while it is true that one “draws more flies with honey than with vinegar” we cannot forget that shit works better than either of them, and that drawing flies is seldom a positive experience. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/217 "2016-08-25T17:38:59Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > “If you hate Hillary, your a right wing idiot”. Actually, I don’t have a right wing idiot. Where are they for sale? And the sentence doesn’t appear to be complete. What are you trying to insinuate about my right wing idiot? ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/218 "2016-08-25T17:49:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Regrettably, it appears that your limited cognitive abilities have hampered your capacity to dispel your ignorance. Please understand that our “war on ignorance” does not necessarily imply any attack on the victims of ignorance. And it would truly be a wonderful thing if ignorance could be resolved by osmosis, that ignorance could leak out of your pie-hole and be replaced by information by way of your input receptors. > > Sadly, no. Once ignorance has calcified in the brain-pan, it becomes much more resistant to evaporation and replacement with information molecules. As a result, we become more frustrated and irritable. It is very similar to the annoyance you experience when losing at tic-tac-toe with a chicken. > > And while it is true that one “draws more flies with honey than with vinegar” we cannot forget that shit works better than either of them, and that drawing flies is seldom a positive experience. I see someone has a lot of time on their hands. So what did I say to prove that I was stupid? I am sure you chuckled to yourself as you wrote this. Reading it over and over again thinking, “This is my one second of glory! Attack the new and weak! He has a very unpopular opinion”. I do not think that I was speaking ignorantly at all. So pat yourself on the back for your swing. I know that saying anything at all in the pit brings out the turds. (Especially if you disagree with the overwhelming majority) I just think that Hillary is one of two horrible choices. People should hate that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/219 "2016-08-25T17:55:11Z")
Thank you for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/220 "2016-08-26T02:10:10Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > I think you chose a very rude way to present your ideas. Saying that if you don’t agree with me about Hillary, you are ignorant. I think there could have been a much more pleasant way to express your views. The purpose of strong language is to make a strong impression. Did you read these words and ponder them? :– > [@septimus](#): > > My advice is to take the opposite track. The louder the right-wing blowhards like Coulter and Hannity bray, the more you should just assume the opposite of what they say is true. Recall Kerry, the Vietnam War hero who ran against a shirker. American voters came out against the hero (“There seemed to be some question about his war record” was a typical voter comment) while voting for GWB the shirker! > … > My Goodness! The duplicitous slut met with Muhammad Yunus?? It’s only a short leap from there to believe she was making secret trips to Abbottabad and giving blow-jobs to Osama bin Laden. If Yes, did it give you better insight into the House of Lies that you’ve bought into about Hillary? If No — If you just ignored my message and tuned in to listen to Rush Limbaugh or some other liar — _ **then that just shows that my words weren’t harsh enough!** _ If you need someone to coddle to your ignorance and speak very gently (“Hello little boy! This is a Limbaugh and this is a Coulter. Let me teach you what grown-ups know about them.”) then you’ve come to the wrong place. HTH. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=12)