# I Pit the Hatred of Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284 "2016-07-30T14:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/241 "2016-08-26T15:21:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course one can make that argument that there are better choices, but they did not run, unfortunately. What you descrive though is that you are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. And attitude that it is not only defeating in politics but also in most other human efforts. > > “Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, **the best never comes**.” > > - Robert Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a “cult of the imperfect”, which he described in his quote. > > [Perfect is the enemy of good - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good) Yeah, that about sums it up. I would prefer someone else but there just wasn’t a road for them to the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/242 "2016-08-26T15:28:24Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > She started the Obama birther thing Uh, no. [http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563](http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563) > [@](#): > > Birtherism is the latest and most enduring version of a theory in search of facts. > > The original smear against Obama was that he was a crypto-Muslim, floated in 2004 by perennial Illinois political candidate and serial litigant Andy Martin. Other related versions of this theory alleged that Obama was educated in an Indonesian “madrassa” or steeped in Islamist ideology from a young age, and the theories began to spread virally after Obama appeared on the national stage – to the casual observer, from nowhere – with his early 2007 presidential campaign announcement. Incidentally Andy Martin is proud of being the king of the birthers. > **[“Birther King” Andy Martin: Still More Questions About Obama’s Past](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/birther-king-andy-martin-obama-birth-certificate/)** > > The activist who claims credit for starting the birther movement says the White House has settled this particular conspiracy theory. Oh, but he has more. The source of the Trump lie (and it was Trump the one that blamed Hillary in the recent contest) is actually based on a supporter of Clinton against Obama that resent a chain mail that supported the rumor about the birth place of Obama. As others investigated there was no evidence that showed any involvement of Clinton with the nutty supporter. As Trump is more likely to double down and lie about the real origins of the birther lie I guess I can count on you voting for Hillary then. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/243 "2016-08-26T15:55:20Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I have been following her since Bill became president. I told myself, when she was first lady, I’d love the chance to vote for her one day. > > I voted for her against Obama. I have been an extraordinary supporter of hers for decades. > > I am not alone in that. > > You can discount my words and experiences, but that’s your issue not mine. When Hillary first came to the national stage in 1992, I did not like her. I was very against her in fact. The reason for this is because I was still a teenager living in an ultra-conservative household. Liberals were evil, and the Clintons were satan incarnate. This was just accepted knowledge in my house. I was dumbfounded by how Clinton won, even though he was obviously evil. I remember my mother arguing with her mother (who was much more liberal) about how the clintons had Vince Foster killed, and on and on and on. I came to the conclusion that nothing good could possibly come from them. In 1996, I cast my first vote, and it was for Dole. I was upset when Clinton won. By 2000, I had become disillusioned enough w the republican party (largely with their constant hearings about clinton’s affairs), that I wasn’t about to vote for Bush, but I hadn’t come along enough to see Gore, the liberal, as a viable candidate for the future. That year, I voted for Dave Barry. (I don’t live in Florida, or I would feel regret at this point over wasting my vote.) As I have learned more about the history of the clintons over the next decade, I realized that more and more of the reasons that I didn’t like them were just made up lies, distortions or exaggerations. By 2008, I was an enthusiastic Clinton supporter, though I supported Obama nearly as enthusiastically when he won the primary. (My dream ticket was Clinton/Obama, though I do realize that that would have been impractical.) This year, I did actually vote for sanders in the primary, but because I felt that that was the best way to use my voice to shift the conversation a bit further to the left. I would have voted for him as president had he won, but I was actually hoping for a clinton victory. Come November, I will be very happy to cast my vote for clinton, who I feel is one of the best qualified and experienced (and vetted) candidates for the job who has ever run. Is she my first choice, well, no, I am. But I didn’t run, so I will vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/244 "2016-08-26T16:16:43Z")
Thanks for sharing your story **k9bfriender**! Very interesting. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is she my first choice, well, no, I am. But I didn’t run, so I will vote for her. I am going to unabashedly steal this line, the next time this comes up. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/245 "2016-09-25T18:32:23Z")
Many of the irrational haters of Hillary do have 90+ IQs — they’re not going to vote for Trump. Here’s one imbecile who apparently is going to vote for the short-fingered fraudster … amd offers no excuse beyond his irrational hatred: > [@Trump voters: explain yourselves](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-voters-explain-yourselves/766699/118): > > I would have preferred almost any alternative to Trump, but:[ol] > [li]He’s not Hillary[/li][li]He’s not Hillary[/li][li]We can always hope he dies soon after the inauguration (or even that the “he doesn’t really want to be president, and he’ll resign once he wins” rumor is true).[/li][li]Hopefully there are enough checks and balances that even an incompetent clown as president can’t do too much damage.[/li][/ol] Please explain your irrational hatred, **Lumpy**. Or do you just detest her? abominate her? loathe her? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/246 "2016-09-26T15:30:44Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I Pit the Irrational Hatred of Hillary. She’s a felon. She’s a liar. What’s irrational about disliking her for that? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/247 "2016-09-26T15:32:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. Absolutely not true. > [@](#): > > She’s a liar. No worse than average. Actually, demonstrably less than average, and much less than Trump. > [@](#): > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? Well, first of all you’re being irrational in making Hillary’s flaws out to be much worse than they are, while simultaneously underrating those of Trump, which are demonstrably much more severe. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/248 "2016-09-26T15:37:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. She’s a liar. > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? Speaking of liars, a) she’s not a felon, and b) You’ve lied more times than she has, you worthless sack. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/249 "2016-09-26T15:46:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. She’s a liar. > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? Even if true, do you hate all liars and (non-convicted) felons? I can see those beliefs (misunderstandings?) lead you to vote for Jeb Bush or Martin O’Malley over Mrs. Clinton, but fucking Trump? Clinton can be a fine President even if she has lied about some things in the past (who hasn’t?), and even if she had actually committed some felony (she hasn’t). Trump, on the other hand, can’t. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/250 "2016-09-26T15:54:48Z")
I don’t like her dishonesty, secrecy, political views, personality, face, or her voice. Other that that she’s ok. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/251 "2016-09-26T16:19:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. Cite? Tell me exactly what felony she had been convicted of? Shit, tell me one she has been indicted for. Oh, you can’t, because she hasn’t. My thinking is ,either she has been innocent of all the things she had been accused of, and investigated for, over the last 25 years, or she is smarter than 25 years worth of Republicans doing the investigating. Either way, that is the kind of person I want in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/252 "2016-09-26T18:08:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. \ You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. \ ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/253 "2016-09-26T18:10:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. She’s a liar. > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? The fact that you’re lying, while indignantly calling her a liar, is pretty impressive. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/254 "2016-09-26T18:48:33Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. She’s a liar. > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? **Troll.** He did the same thing in the “_Trump voters: explain yourselves_” thread. He likes to post outrageously false shit and then run away like the gutless coward he is. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/255 "2016-09-26T19:05:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She’s a felon. She’s a liar. > > What’s irrational about disliking her for that? She’s certainly a liar. She’s not a felon. Are you suggesting that a liar cannot earn your vote for President? For which candidate do you plan on voting this year? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/256 "2016-09-26T19:49:54Z")
“Look around you, we’re all liars here, and every one of us is better than you.” Littlefinger to Sansa Stark, _GoT_ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/257 "2016-12-06T04:43:23Z")
I’m bumping this thread for two reasons. (1) To give more people a chance to read, in #1, Sen. Clinton’s actual words on her 2002 vote — the ignorance on this matter is huge, even here at the Dope. (2) To call attention to a recent news story: [In Washington Pizzeria Attack, Fake News Brought Real Guns](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html). North Carolina resident Edgar M. Welch was so upset when he learned that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza shop that he brought his AR-15 assault rife to the pizza shop to free the kids. Naturally he couldn’t contact the Washington police: as stooges of the Hateful Hillary they were obviously in on it. North Carolina, recall, was a state Hillary was expected to win but lost when people too stupid to respond to a pollster nevertheless showed up in their diapers on Election Day to draw an X with their crayon and vote against this witch running a child sex ring. One would like to eavesdrop on the Kremlin gremlins who concocted these stories to put their boy in power. “Isn’t that a little much? Fantasies like that will reduce the credibility of our whole campaign!” “Clicks are clicks, Comrade Daddy-O. Anyway, you just don’t understand how stupid these overfed Americans are. And some Democrat Congressmen eat pizza; maybe we’ll kill (ha ha) two birds with one stone!” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/258 "2016-12-06T12:33:47Z")
According [to this page](http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/edgar-maddison-welch-comet-pizza-pizzagate-washington-dc-gunman-suspect-photos-pictures-facebook-conspiracy-north-carolina/), Michael Flynn, our new National Security Adviser, and his son and chief of staff Michael Jr. have doubled down on the Pizzeria-used-by-Hillary-to-torture-and-traffic-children story, the former tweetin a link to [this page.](http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/) Is this true? The tweeterer is “@GenFlynn” not “@theReal\_GenFlynn.” Or is true but “forgiveable” since the General didn’t mention “Pizza”? His son did though: [QUOTE=Michael G Flynn🇺🇸 @mflynnJR] Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it’ll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many “coincidences” tied to it. [x.com](https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/805559273426141184) [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/259 "2016-12-06T13:01:43Z")
The [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/05/did-michael-flynn-really-tweet-something-about-pizzagate-not-exactly/?outputType=accessibility&nid=menu_nav_accessibilityforscreenreader) doesn’t think MF’s tweet was about “pizza-gate”. Pence was just on MSNBC claiming MF’s son has nothing to do with the transition team, but we’ll see. He is, or was, supposedly his dad’s Chief of Staff. I’d like to see someone outside the Trump bubble to confirm this (or not). ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/260 "2016-12-06T13:57:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > No, I’m Pitting the Dopers who are smart enough to know Trump really is an abomination, and yet have so much irrational hatred for Hillary Clinton that they’re happy to work, directly or indirectly, for Trump victory. Are there any? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=14)